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  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    2 years ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 15 Feb 2022 09:12 AM

    I just saw his interview on tv......he ain't getting the shot. At least he is a man of conviction, so far at least....
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    2 years ago
    yeah, I'll give him that.  Poor bugger has to forgo a couple of million in prize money as a result too, my heart goes out to him.

    Actually in hindsight fuck him!  His little ego trip cost the country bigtime.  
  • evo94
    evo94
    2 years ago
    too many chiefs in shitsville cost the country big time....
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    When the virus first emerged, let's call it type A, the vaccine did help reduce transmission, reduce not stop, it did that by lowering the viral load of vaccinated people as their immune system kicked in quickly and the virus did not get as big a hold on them(statistically that is, there are always exceptions), as further variants emerged this effect was lessened, not stopped, by the fact the virus had become more transmissible, I'm still totally comfortable with the science, scientists did an amazing job under extreme pressure to deliver the vaccines to the world, just as an aside, more Australians have died from the virus in the last 6 months than at any other time since the pandemic started, mostly old people, they don't count apparently. 
    I am in a high risk group, every time they get a new jab out that will protect me I will be getting it, when I got COVID last year I was very sick and I was vaccinated, if I hadn't been then I would of been a lot sicker, that is the main function of the vaccine, to reduce the viruses impact on your health.
  • 408
    408
    2 years ago

    Both the news .com.au articles are written by the same bloke. He obviously has an agenda but the articles are confused and not well set out.
    Very early on there was an expectation that the vaccines would provide immunity (and with one shot, in the beginning) but later my  understanding was that all the vaccines were able to reduce effects and severity and reduce transmission specifically to reduce the loads on the hospitals and reduce the impact on the immune compromised.
    The 'revelations' do not change anything for me.
  • B0nes
    B0nes
    2 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 15 Oct 2022 09:58 PM

    When the virus first emerged, let's call it type A, the vaccine did help reduce transmission, reduce not stop, it did that by lowering the viral load of vaccinated people as their immune system kicked in quickly and the virus did not get as big a hold on them(statistically that is, there are always exceptions), as further variants emerged this effect was lessened, not stopped, by the fact the virus had become more transmissible, I'm still totally comfortable with the science, scientists did an amazing job under extreme pressure to deliver the vaccines to the world, just as an aside, more Australians have died from the virus in the last 6 months than at any other time since the pandemic started, mostly old people, they don't count apparently. 

    I am in a high risk group, every time they get a new jab out that will protect me I will be getting it, when I got COVID last year I was very sick and I was vaccinated, if I hadn't been then I would of been a lot sicker, that is the main function of the vaccine, to reduce the viruses impact on your health.

    The wife is just recovering from covid which she caught from myself. I wasn't that crook and only had mild symptoms, she on the other hand was knocked off her feet for the past 2 weeks and was bed ridden for most of the time. We are both healthy and she is a lot fitter than myself. Both of us are fully vaccinated. I think I may have been fine if I wasn't vaccinated but would hate to think how she would have been if she hadn't. So we are both happy that we got all the shots. Kinda pissed her off that I being an ex smoker with a very unhealthy lifestyle until a few years ago got over it so fast and she didn't.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Hope your Missus has no lasting effects Bones.
  • B0nes
    B0nes
    2 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 16 Oct 2022 01:07 AM

    Hope your Missus has no lasting effects Bones.

    Thanks. Think she will be fine, seems to be over the worst of it and getting better each day
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    2 years ago
    I hope your missus has recovered ok and has no long term issues Bones.

    I actually only posted those couple of articles to highlight that a mainstream news website is suddenly posting negative stories about the vaccines after staying quiet for the last eighteen months (hence the WTF?), not to re-ignite any vaccine debates. The story is relevant to Djokovic's situation last Summer though and this latest news might take on new meaning as things progress and lawyers potentially become involved for people who were forced to get vaccinated and/or have had problems, time will tell.

    I do agree with you Hilly that suddenly we don’t care about old people anymore and are happy to accept their deaths when we largely locked the country down supposedly to protect them for over two years. Notably there’s been some shifts by the ALP state Premiers in all of this (coincidentally maybe? since the ALP got into federal power) that I really can’t make sense out of after what they put everyone through.

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Me either, touched a nerve is all bro.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    2 years ago
    He’s baaaack….
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    2 years ago
    Now that he's got the all clear he should tell them to shove it up their arse. He won't, but it would be cool if he did.
  • 408
    408
    2 years ago
    I'd like to see him come here and get knocked off in the first round.
    That would stick it up Djokovic, Craig Tiley, and the Albanese Government.
    Kyrgios is capable of beating him, it would be the best chance he ever has of winning over Australian fans.

  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    2 years ago
    Quoting 408 on 16 Nov 2022 12:17 AM

    I'd like to see him come here and get knocked off in the first round.
    That would stick it up Djokovic, Craig Tiley, and the Albanese Government.
    Kyrgios is capable of beating him, it would be the best chance he ever has of winning over Australian fans.

    I wonder if the reaction would have been the same now and at the time if it was Federer who made the unpopular choice instead of Djokovic?

    Kyrgios already has plenty of Australian fans. Not everyone dislikes him just because he doesn't fit what the media and armchair experts want him to be.

  • 408
    408
    2 years ago
    Federer has not made too many unpopular choices, as opposed to Djokovic.
    Djokovic may be the poster boy for Serbia and the anti-vax movement but he has shown disregard for those around him on both occasions he has had covid. He may be fit and healthy enough to beat covid and not have any affects from it, but those who had been in contact with him may not have been so fortunate.
    Australia, and Victoria in particular had just endured harsh restrictions, in relation to travel, returning home from interstate and abroad.  Craig Tiley shafted everybody by trying to get Djokovic here to play on a medical exemption.
    Australia was not alone in its approach to the vaccine mandate. It was lifted earlier this year for the French Open and Wimbledon, but not for the US Open.
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    2 years ago
    Quoting 408 on 16 Nov 2022 11:53 PM

    Federer has not made too many unpopular choices, as opposed to Djokovic.
    Djokovic may be the poster boy for Serbia and the anti-vax movement but he has shown disregard for those around him on both occasions he has had covid. He may be fit and healthy enough to beat covid and not have any affects from it, but those who had been in contact with him may not have been so fortunate.
    Australia, and Victoria in particular had just endured harsh restrictions, in relation to travel, returning home from interstate and abroad.  Craig Tiley shafted everybody by trying to get Djokovic here to play on a medical exemption.
    Australia was not alone in its approach to the vaccine mandate. It was lifted earlier this year for the French Open and Wimbledon, but not for the US Open.

    I understand all that, I posed the question because everyone likes Federer, he ticks all the right boxes.

    If Federer decided not to comply and didn't get vaccinated, would he have copped the same level of shit as Djokovic if he tried for an exemption? I strongly doubt it, it's always much easier to be hard on someone who you don't like, even though the rules are the same for everyone.
  • 408
    408
    2 years ago
    Quoting 408 on 16 Nov 2022 11:53 PM

    Federer has not made too many unpopular choices, as opposed to Djokovic.
    Djokovic may be the poster boy for Serbia and the anti-vax movement but he has shown disregard for those around him on both occasions he has had covid. He may be fit and healthy enough to beat covid and not have any affects from it, but those who had been in contact with him may not have been so fortunate.
    Australia, and Victoria in particular had just endured harsh restrictions, in relation to travel, returning home from interstate and abroad.  Craig Tiley shafted everybody by trying to get Djokovic here to play on a medical exemption.
    Australia was not alone in its approach to the vaccine mandate. It was lifted earlier this year for the French Open and Wimbledon, but not for the US Open.

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 17 Nov 2022 12:24 AM

    I understand all that, I posed the question because everyone likes Federer, he ticks all the right boxes.


    If Federer decided not to comply and didn't get vaccinated, would he have copped the same level of shit as Djokovic if he tried for an exemption? I strongly doubt it, it's always much easier to be hard on someone who you don't like, even though the rules are the same for everyone.

    OK, I take your point.
    I believe there would have been a lot of resentment towards anybody who had tried to sidestep the rules in that situation. Djokovic may have had a head start in the unpopularity stakes, but a lot of his background behaviour did not become public until later. There is still a question mark as to whether his positive result in December was legitimate or arranged by the Serbian health system.
    I believe Craig Tiley encouraged the rort and should wear most of the blame.

  • Hoodeng
    Hoodeng
    2 years ago
    There is a bit of hypothesizing about if someone did this or someone else did that, lets stick to what has actually happened.
    When the Corona first struck mortality was a possibility covering the community that had no other precedent, even the Spanish flu 100 years ago was not really comparable to today, today's mobile population is much more fluid than then.

    The governments federal and state responded in what they thought would be best for the people to what was emerging as a possible killer pandemic, there was initially no vaccination, and contagiousness was high, [i'm not going to get into a shit fight over who responded best or worst, that in itself is a hindsight] but I have yet to witness a government of any stripe that has deliberately exposed their population for reasons known only to them.

    Essentially Australia dodged a bullet by world standards, locking borders and supporting that lock down with legislation was one tool in the box, planned vaccination roll out was another [for every dose given there had to be the covering dose in stock, this made the rollout look stilted] mass inoculation and isolation also protected those that chose not to vaccinate by diminishing cases in the community.

    Tennis Australia should hang its head in shame for trying to undermine what was legislation that applied to all, the guy they bought in thought he was bigger than the country that he was visiting. So fuck him, his cancellation should still stand for the period determined, with a warning that a future transgression of any Australian law will result in permanent banning.

    Final thing, if a rule applies to me it applies to everyone no exceptions. If anyone thinks this virus has run its course, we may have to think again if it mutates.

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