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  • Big Steve
    Big Steve
    12 days ago
    I've owned a GS adventure so thats a hard NO from me.
  • steelo
    steelo
    12 days ago
    Picture the car park of your favourite country bakery. There’s your usual offering of bmws, ktms, Ducati’s and Honda’s. the 50 somethings are resting their weary retired bones sipping cafe lates and nibbling sticky buns. Klim, dririder and dianese jackets hanging on the back of their chairs. Name brand helmets resting safely on the side table. iPhones (12 if you must) Samsung and google strategically positioned on tables in front of them. 
    in you ride on your pan America. 
    Which bike in the car park is going to suddenly be the subject of their conversation. For at least the next 5 to 10 years. 
    Competitor?
    Based on every objective criteria handling power comfort braking, my 18 yr old deuce with a 1450 and 120k kms on the clock can’t compete with other road bike options. But I love it to bits and it still gets favourable comments and interest. One of my friends has been begging me to sell it to him. He’s never ridden it!!
    Neither had I when I first bought it. 
    It’s the Holden v Ford debate in another guise. They used to say “win on Sunday, sell on Monday”. But I don’t think people care so much for that any more. It’s a good looking bike. Has trimmings, spoked wheels, panniers. Should be good to go. I’d have one and I don’t plan on doing a Paris Dakar anytime soon. 

  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    12 days ago
    Quoting Chester on 14 Feb 2021 09:48 PMedited: 15 Feb 2021 05:05 AM

    Yes sacrilege, and that's the problem with religions, the truth will always make them fade away.  I should really sell my sporty.  I don't use it much, but when I walk past it in the garage, I just can't bare to part with it.  So there's hope for HD yet.

    Chester whatever you like mate! when I said that in my post it was myself personally , not trying to tell others what to ride.

    I ride a mountain bike ( hard work! )

     people I ride with some ride adventure bikes & like them but have not done anything to impress me enough to do the same.
  • Chester
    Chester
    11 days ago
    Quoting Chester on 14 Feb 2021 09:48 PMedited: 15 Feb 2021 05:05 AM

    Yes sacrilege, and that's the problem with religions, the truth will always make them fade away.  I should really sell my sporty.  I don't use it much, but when I walk past it in the garage, I just can't bare to part with it.  So there's hope for HD yet.

    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 14 Feb 2021 11:35 PM

    Chester whatever you like mate! when I said that in my post it was myself personally , not trying to tell others what to ride.


    I ride a mountain bike ( hard work! )

     people I ride with some ride adventure bikes & like them but have not done anything to impress me enough to do the same.

    No dramas. Many of my motorcycle riding mates have no interest in going off road. I get what you're saying.
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    10 days ago
    Quoting steelo on 14 Feb 2021 11:08 PM

    Picture the car park of your favourite country bakery. There’s your usual offering of bmws, ktms, Ducati’s and Honda’s. the 50 somethings are resting their weary retired bones sipping cafe lates and nibbling sticky buns. Klim, dririder and dianese jackets hanging on the back of their chairs. Name brand helmets resting safely on the side table. iPhones (12 if you must) Samsung and google strategically positioned on tables in front of them. 

    in you ride on your pan America. 
    Which bike in the car park is going to suddenly be the subject of their conversation. For at least the next 5 to 10 years. 
    Competitor?
    Based on every objective criteria handling power comfort braking, my 18 yr old deuce with a 1450 and 120k kms on the clock can’t compete with other road bike options. But I love it to bits and it still gets favourable comments and interest. One of my friends has been begging me to sell it to him. He’s never ridden it!!
    Neither had I when I first bought it. 
    It’s the Holden v Ford debate in another guise. They used to say “win on Sunday, sell on Monday”. But I don’t think people care so much for that any more. It’s a good looking bike. Has trimmings, spoked wheels, panniers. Should be good to go. I’d have one and I don’t plan on doing a Paris Dakar anytime soon. 

    Ha! Funny as ...
    Ok, you got me to bite here, because my alter-ego is a GS Rider (F850GSA). I like to think not a pretend one but lucky enough to get offroad -  dirt, gravel, mud, sand & creek crossings most times out. I'm a returning off-road rider with a dirt bike background & had a break of over 30 years!
    Yeah, GS/or Adventure riders, we spend just a little more money on proper waterproof riding suits - rather than choosing a cool looking but useless black leather jacket & blue  or black denim riding jeans! (although that still remains my Harley riding outfit)! I've spent much more on Harley chrome bits than I should have spent on keeping warm/dry. 
    With the Beemer you have no need to spend on any engine performance upgrade so your money goes on luggage options or proper riding gear. 
    Helmets are on the table - sure, these a proper fit for purpose helmet. No one is interested in knocking off your cheap open-face 'skull-cap' matt black helmet hanging on yout Harley mirror!
    Mobile phones on the table? Show me anyone who across any demographic who doesn't do that?
    I agree with the interest in a HD Adventure bike, I personally would be eager to check out a Pan America that pulled up into the carpark and I know all my GS group would be same.
    Oh, other threads do tell me you like the sticky buns also.
    50 something and retired? I'm in that age bracket but can't retire yet (got more gear & Adventure trips to pay for).


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  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    10 days ago
    Quoting steelo on 14 Feb 2021 11:08 PM

    Picture the car park of your favourite country bakery. There’s your usual offering of bmws, ktms, Ducati’s and Honda’s. the 50 somethings are resting their weary retired bones sipping cafe lates and nibbling sticky buns. Klim, dririder and dianese jackets hanging on the back of their chairs. Name brand helmets resting safely on the side table. iPhones (12 if you must) Samsung and google strategically positioned on tables in front of them. 

    in you ride on your pan America. 
    Which bike in the car park is going to suddenly be the subject of their conversation. For at least the next 5 to 10 years. 
    Competitor?
    Based on every objective criteria handling power comfort braking, my 18 yr old deuce with a 1450 and 120k kms on the clock can’t compete with other road bike options. But I love it to bits and it still gets favourable comments and interest. One of my friends has been begging me to sell it to him. He’s never ridden it!!
    Neither had I when I first bought it. 
    It’s the Holden v Ford debate in another guise. They used to say “win on Sunday, sell on Monday”. But I don’t think people care so much for that any more. It’s a good looking bike. Has trimmings, spoked wheels, panniers. Should be good to go. I’d have one and I don’t plan on doing a Paris Dakar anytime soon. 

    Quoting Wideglider on 16 Feb 2021 11:01 AMedited: 16 Feb 2021 11:26 AM

    Ha! Funny as ...

    Ok, you got me to bite here, because my alter-ego is a GS Rider (F850GSA). I like to think not a pretend one but lucky enough to get offroad -  dirt, gravel, mud, sand & creek crossings most times out. I'm a returning off-road rider with a dirt bike background & had a break of over 30 years!
    Yeah, GS/or Adventure riders, we spend just a little more money on proper waterproof riding suits - rather than choosing a cool looking but useless black leather jacket & blue  or black denim riding jeans! (although that still remains my Harley riding outfit)! I've spent much more on Harley chrome bits than I should have spent on keeping warm/dry. 
    With the Beemer you have no need to spend on any engine performance upgrade so your money goes on luggage options or proper riding gear. 
    Helmets are on the table - sure, these a proper fit for purpose helmet. No one is interested in knocking off your cheap open-face 'skull-cap' matt black helmet hanging on yout Harley mirror!
    Mobile phones on the table? Show me anyone who across any demographic who doesn't do that?
    I agree with the interest in a HD Adventure bike, I personally would be eager to check out a Pan America that pulled up into the carpark and I know all my GS group would be same.
    Oh, other threads do tell me you like the sticky buns also.
    50 something and retired? I'm in that age bracket but can't retire yet (got more gear & Adventure trips to pay for).


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    "Mobile phones on the table? Show me anyone who across any demographic who doesn't do that?"
    I don't. But I know where you are coming from.
    Saw this bunch of blokes in a pub in Queenstown here in Tassie just before the virus hit.
    Whichever way you come into town the riding is as good as it gets.
    They were not talking about the ride or the scenery, or the delectable 300 kilo ravishing barmaids.
    Nope, just glued to their stupid phones.
    So I took a picture with my phone because I thought it was strange.
    I wonder if any of them are on this forum?, ha ha.
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  • liberator
    liberator
    10 days ago
    You've got to have the right tool for the job, a mans shed should have at least 6 bikes in it so that you have all bases covered, if the Pan America is half as good as my Buell Ulysses then I'm in, well, if I was flush with cabbage I'd be in,
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    10 days ago
    Quoting liberator on 16 Feb 2021 12:40 PM

    You've got to have the right tool for the job, a mans shed should have at least 6 bikes in it so that you have all bases covered, if the Pan America is half as good as my Buell Ulysses then I'm in, well, if I was flush with cabbage I'd be in,

    Good one liberator, have a few mates with those Buell Ulys...., only thing need to worry about in touch going, is the cast wheels. But Buell did make an Alpine model with spoke wheels & perimeter disc .
  • steelo
    steelo
    9 days ago
    You only got a tourer because I had one.
    AND you only ever stop at accidents.
    I have seen those jackets before
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  • PhoenixHD
    PhoenixHD
    9 days ago
    Quoting steelo on 17 Feb 2021 03:16 AMedited: 17 Feb 2021 03:18 AM

    You only got a tourer because I had one.
    AND you only ever stop at accidents.
    I have seen those jackets before

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    It goes with your Timberland boots?
  • Choco
    Choco
    9 days ago
    Ok my two cents worth. I think adventure bikes are getting to big, to powerful and to many electronic gadgets on them. Many years ago I bought a second hand Suzuki 650 Vstrom great bike except for the poxy screen which gave a lot of head buffeting but as I said it was a great bike with more than enough power. Now let's be honest here how many riders of these big adventure bikes actually go off road I bet a very few. So for myself if I was ever to go down this path I be looking at a mid size bike, it would probably be Japanese. I wouldn't want to spend more than $12,000 new on a bike that I might take off road and when the time comes to move it on hopefully I wouldn't lose thousands and thousands of dollars when I sold it. Back to the question would I look at a Pan America the answer would be no from me.
  • Airhead
    Airhead
    5 days ago
    I sort of get it.  Back in the mid seventies my Grandmother's brother had a 1929 J Model in the shed.  I grew up sitting on the very worn and very dusty seat.  Many mini bikes and cheap Yammies later.  In the very early eighties I would frequent Burlings and Simmons - on a Jappa, and they would let me in the door - and dream of being able to pay for one and ride it away.  Marriage, three kids, a house, endless amounts of shift work from both of us and then in 1995 I bought a first year Dyna Superglide.  No other bike before or since has given me the absolute thrill of riding it out of the show room.  Christ, if you could bottle and then sell that feeling, you would be one rich man or woman.  Literally, twenty years in the making was that feeling.  But I am less romantic at nearly sixty years of age.  

    I like adventure bikes, but, that is one fucking ugly one.
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  • Airhead
    Airhead
    3 days ago
    "Powered by H-D’s new Revolution Max 1250cc engine, a liquid-cooled 60-degree V-twin, the Pan America 1250 Special will compete with the likes of the BMW R 1250 GS Adventure and the KTM 1290 Super Adventure R.
    The new engine produces 127Nm of torque and 150hp at 8750rpm. The powertrain is expected to feature in future Harley models. It was due to power the Bronx streetfighter, but that model has reportedly been cancelled."  

    Lifted from bikesales.com.au

    It ain't any prettier but it could be a lot faster than I thought.
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    3 days ago
    Quoting Airhead on 23 Feb 2021 07:53 AM

    "Powered by H-D’s new Revolution Max 1250cc engine, a liquid-cooled 60-degree V-twin, the Pan America 1250 Special will compete with the likes of the BMW R 1250 GS Adventure and the KTM 1290 Super Adventure R.

    The new engine produces 127Nm of torque and 150hp at 8750rpm. The powertrain is expected to feature in future Harley models. It was due to power the Bronx streetfighter, but that model has reportedly been cancelled."  

    Lifted from bikesales.com.au

    It ain't any prettier but it could be a lot faster than I thought.

    Sure, wanting to "compete" with BMW GS or KTM Adventure bikes is admirable. The GS has now been fine-tuned for 40 years now, hopefully the Pan America doesn't shake itself to bits offroad - like HD's can do just on smooth bitumen.  
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    2 days ago
    The BMW is not really the torque king.
    The KTM 1290 Adv is rated at 140nm , 119kw, and is quicker than the BMW in testing, including roll on tests.
    When up around these figures, a few numbers + or - in power/torque will make little difference

    I'm very impressed with everything I've read from the press release regarding the Pan American.
    I think they may have built a very capable bike.
    As may have been said, the dealer knowledge+ backup (attitude !)  will make or break it.

    The Pan America is cheaper than the BMW Adv in the USA , but has a price of $32k here, which I think
    may just bit more expensive than the base BMW and KTM in Aus' .
  • PhoenixHD
    PhoenixHD
    2 days ago
    Quoting speedzter on 24 Feb 2021 01:24 AM

    The BMW is not really the torque king.
    The KTM 1290 Adv is rated at 140nm , 119kw, and is quicker than the BMW in testing, including roll on tests.
    When up around these figures, a few numbers + or - in power/torque will make little difference

    I'm very impressed with everything I've read from the press release regarding the Pan American.
    I think they may have built a very capable bike.
    As may have been said, the dealer knowledge+ backup (attitude !)  will make or break it.

    The Pan America is cheaper than the BMW Adv in the USA , but has a price of $32k here, which I think
    may just bit more expensive than the base BMW and KTM in Aus' .

    KTM is definitely quicker,has more hp (I've ridden one they're great but the chain drive didn't do it for me) however, on purely torque figures...the KTM makes it's 140nm @ 6750rpm not 6250rpm so... "The king's not dead , long live the king!"
  • Nath103
    Nath103
    yesterday
    50/50. I like the look but the weight kills it for me.
    That being said HD dealers need to have a big weekend away trip in the scrub, where potential new owners can run it through it paces.

    Rather HD make a 450cc and a crack a Dakar?
  • steelo
    steelo
    yesterday
  • roadrunner14
    roadrunner14
    yesterday
    So he has read the same stuff we have online and made a video. Until we get some actual everyday people test riding these it is a bit of an unknown. I tend to not even believe the reviews on bike sites, they seem real adverse to giving a bad review overall. Something to do with not getting further test bikes to review maybe? Can’t wait for May to roll around to start reading some feedback from the US market. That is, I think they are getting them in May to dealers. 
  • steelo
    steelo
    yesterday
    Actually I made a mistake with that one rr. I’m suspicious of reviews by nature and honestly while I quite like re, he is very driven by advert revenue. I didn’t even look at it and maybe I should have. 
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