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  • rick k
    rick k
    11 days ago
    Gday , I pulled the cover off last week and to my surprise the chain tensioners appears to be in 👌🏻 Great condition . I was at least expecting to see some wear as it’s hit the 40000k but these are still like new ,,,,, unless the previous owner replaced them . No problem doing this checkup except make sure you put a tray to catch the 1/2 litre of oil that comes out . 
  • steelo
    steelo
    11 days ago
    I must say. They do look brand new. I replaced mine at 105k. 
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    11 days ago
    rick k , yes they do look good & oil very clean too!
    mine used to come out looking like the one's in Steelo's pic. But with a lot less KM than 105k.
    having said that I also had a brand new replacement tensioner fall apart, soon after replacing them & was lucky to get to it while all parts , still in the cam chest.
    mine was a 2001 year tc 88" but was tuned up, & I raved it to 7,200 regularly. I put gear drive cam's in & proved to be reliable.
    I would think your motor probably uses bee hive valve springs, with less valve seat pressure than what I had.
    I was using Andrews 55 cams & a m8 in states got me a set of Andrews 55G at a good price, so I got to compare chain drive & gear drive on Dyno. as there was no other changes to my motor. And I can tell you, there is not even 1 HP difference between Chain Drive & Gear drive. but that bike still going strong & still has same gear drive. So only benefit of gear drive, is don't have to service it. but. if your only changing the tensioners at 105k, stick with what you have!
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    11 days ago
    Glad you started this thread  rick.  I am planning on taking the cover off this weekend. I have been looking at you tube as benno suggested but I get frustrated with it. I watched a couple last night but after 20 minutes  of listening to a really annoying prick I gave up.
    My bike has nearly 50 k on it and if they look like yours I will just  put the cover back on. 
    Any tips would be appreciated



  • rick k
    rick k
    11 days ago
    Quoting steelo on 19 Nov 2020 06:20 AM

    I must say. They do look brand new. I replaced mine at 105k. 

    You probably ride like me  ,,,, 105k ,,,, those kms you got  have restored my faith , nothin wrong with these motors if you ride em right .
  • rick k
    rick k
    11 days ago
    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 19 Nov 2020 07:11 AM

    rick k , yes they do look good & oil very clean too!

    mine used to come out looking like the one's in Steelo's pic. But with a lot less KM than 105k.
    having said that I also had a brand new replacement tensioner fall apart, soon after replacing them & was lucky to get to it while all parts , still in the cam chest.
    mine was a 2001 year tc 88" but was tuned up, & I raved it to 7,200 regularly. I put gear drive cam's in & proved to be reliable.
    I would think your motor probably uses bee hive valve springs, with less valve seat pressure than what I had.
    I was using Andrews 55 cams & a m8 in states got me a set of Andrews 55G at a good price, so I got to compare chain drive & gear drive on Dyno. as there was no other changes to my motor. And I can tell you, there is not even 1 HP difference between Chain Drive & Gear drive. but that bike still going strong & still has same gear drive. So only benefit of gear drive, is don't have to service it. but. if your only changing the tensioners at 105k, stick with what you have!

    Hey Krash , I was tossing up between gear drive  , hydraulic or sticking with what’s in it if they were in bad shape but as it all looks good I’ll stick with what’s n it  . I like to give 3rd (my favourite gear) stick , ist never  , only to get moving so that’s probably why Steelo gets 105k outa his and probably me too . I’d only just changed the oil , purged motor , it was black as ,,,,! Heartening to hear your story , 7200 regularly, now that’s bulletproof !
  • rick k
    rick k
    11 days ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 19 Nov 2020 08:07 AM

    Glad you started this thread  rick.  I am planning on taking the cover off this weekend. I have been looking at you tube as benno suggested but I get frustrated with it. I watched a couple last night but after 20 minutes  of listening to a really annoying prick I gave up.

    My bike has nearly 50 k on it and if they look like yours I will just  put the cover back on. 
    Any tips would be appreciated



    Gday BB , the only things I’d watch would be when loosening the 3/16” bolts there’s a sequence you’ll need to follow cross loosening  , same applies for tightening them up . Tap it off with a rubber mallet , I bought a new gasket $15 from HD but the one on it looked real good so as I didn’t remove it , I just wiped it down , reused and no leaks ,,,,! I’d buy one anyway just in case . Use a powerful but small torch to point in to the back so as you can see the tensioner behind . 
    One more thing , if you change your engine oil after you remove the oil filter hacksaw it in half , if it’s got bits of plastic inside it’s a good indication that the tensioners need replacing .
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    11 days ago
    Cheers for that rick.  I will take a few pictures like you did.
    The last time I changed the oil I didnt change the filter so if there is anything in there it should be obvious.
  • rick k
    rick k
    10 days ago
    On another note , the hydraulic lifters I’ve been told are due for replacement at 40000kms . What are the noises I’d expect to hear , is this gospel ?
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    10 days ago
    Just had the cover off and real happy with what I saw. I boxed it back  up. Wouldn't have  taken  me  any more than an hour. Its gonna  take me longer than that to figure out how to put up the fukin pics.
  • rick k
    rick k
    10 days ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 20 Nov 2020 07:14 AM

    Just had the cover off and real happy with what I saw. I boxed it back  up. Wouldn't have  taken  me  any more than an hour. Its gonna  take me longer than that to figure out how to put up the fukin pics.

    Nothin wrong with them BB , how many kms on ur bike ?
    Buy a can of this I swear by it , Ive used it twice , cleans out all the carbon on the pistons and inside the intake behind the air cleaner . Just follow the directions on the can . Won’t harm your motor and you’ll notice a difference . It melts carbon like butter $15 from global 
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    10 days ago
    Its got around 55k on the clock.  If somone has a pic of what worn shoes look like before they have been removed I would appreciate that.
     I reckon steelo will  be googling and photo shopping like fuck  when he reads this.  Dont let me down mate !
  • rick k
    rick k
    10 days ago
    Did you get the torch right inside and have a close look ? From what I can see they look good , you need Krash’s input for the verdict though . 
  • rick k
    rick k
    10 days ago
    Seriously get hold of this “engine condition “ or read up on it , product name by Threebond .
    When I used it  , it says to spray 1/2 of it inside the hot engine for 10-15 minutes then start motor and empty the can into the intake it blows every bit of carbon out , you’ll see when you look behind the butterfly the difference .
    Unless you already know about this ,,,,,,,!
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    9 days ago
    Quoting rick k on 20 Nov 2020 09:19 AMedited: 20 Nov 2020 09:20 AM

    Did you get the torch right inside and have a close look ? From what I can see they look good , you need Krash’s input for the verdict though . 

    I used a small  torch and looked in as best as I could but as you know i you can't see much.  I brought  a small  telescoping  mirror  home from work but  it was slightly too big to get in there  and I didn't want to break it.
    The only  concern  I have  now is that the  leading  edge  of the shoe or the  trailing edge and do  they wear evenly?
    Hopefully  someone  with  more experience in thie tensioner  department might   comment. 
    I have  looked  closer  at steelos   photos  but  it is hard to  tell. 

  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    9 days ago
    Just  on the  off chance  steelo,   do you  still have  the  old shoes?  I know  I am  pushing my luck  here but  if you  still  have  them  any chance you could take another couple of pics from  both ends.?

  • steelo
    steelo
    9 days ago
    Sorry Beags. I  no longer have the shoes. Just checked. Found some more pics.  You can see how the shoes got eaten into and bits broke off
    What is your issue, perhaps someone can help
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    9 days ago
    Thanks  steelo. 
    I I am just  wondering if it is  possible to get the wrong impression of the  condition of the shoes just by looking at them.  I think  mine  are good  but you  really  can't  see everything just by taking the cover off, especially  the  back one.
  • steelo
    steelo
    9 days ago
    BB. New Cam shoes and gaskets for my job were about $400. The labour was quite a large component. You look to have only a couple mm wear at most on the shoe plates. It's the stained age color that'd worry me. (have they become more brittle?) You could be realistic. I'd give em another 10 to 15k kms (2 services @ 8k) and have another look with a view to replacing them no matter how they look. You have the technical skills to do it which I don't
  • rick k
    rick k
    9 days ago
    I reckon too If they’ve  changed colour to dark brown  they probably have become brittle from high temperatures . 
    I’ve been quoted $500 for the whole job by one of the top Harley mechanics here on the goldy , he said it’s about a 3 hour job , that was before I’d actually checked it myself . I told him it all looks good for now .
    The rough surface on Steelo’s looks like it got a bit hot like molten plastic , whereas the beaglebashers looks like they have plenty of meat still , the chain is still level with the top of the shoe  , dont know about the inside one , hard to see