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  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 months
    Quoting speedzter on 19 Oct 2023 08:43 AM

    Two valve dinosaurs 

    Quoting obisteve on 19 Oct 2023 12:52 PM

    Well I'm seriously looking at a couple of nice Shovelheads. Might pry the wallet open, but will have to sell something else shortly after.

    Quoting Benno on 19 Oct 2023 09:32 PM

    That's the go Steve, I recently got my covid shovel project on the road, luvin riding it, but I should have used more loctite during the build. :)

    Dinosaurs on dinosaurs, only fitting really 🤣
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    Bugga, the one I really liked, the one that reminded me of a top hard core bike back when all the Harley riders in Brisbane knew each other by their first names or nicknames, just sold to someone else.
    Gotta say that I don't regard having to regularly adjust points gap and timing, carby and tappets as unreliability. I save that word for having a cam chain or balance shaft chain tensioner let go, ecu or crank angle sesor failure, or stuff like that.
    But there are some low use twin cams out there for less than I was thinking of for that particular Shovel. 
    Sorry, gone off thread topic. Us old buggas tend to wander a bit.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 months
     Points and carbies are not scary, kickback can ruin ya day though, a Good 2 into 1 would sort that out.....kidding on the exhaust, obviously.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    For what it's worth, the best exhaust for steel framed Victories, which are a bit under square, 4 valve head motors with separate intake runners through a dual 45 mm throat injector body is an RPW Thor 2 into 1. This was very extensively tested by a crazy yank who had lots of money, worked at a shop with a dyno and was into drag racing, and documented on the VOG forum. Once he settled on that exhaust, it was another 70 dyno pulls until he was satisfied.
    He was getting low 130s hp on a Dynojet. This was also with a 117 ci big bore, Lloyds .495 cams with heavier valve springs, Lloyds torque tubes intakes with K&N filters and a very well dialled in PCV. A mate on the Gold Coast now owns this bike. It doesn't run as hard on Oz fuel, high 120s at Fred's ProCycle. I've ridden it up Mt Tomewin in light drizzle, definitely lights up a  smile on the dial, just before it lights up the back tyre. 
    They only make pipes for 4 valve head Vic's and Indians.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 months
    Yours stock Steve? 
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    Almost. Both have K&N air filters, mostly because of the dirt road use, factory stage 1 pipes and factory reflash. They are 2013 for the bagger, 2014 for the other one. They both still have the cats. The bagger has 140,000 kms so the pipes have gotten louder since I bought it with 8,000 on it.
    Vic use narrow band O2 sensors, and according to those who have charted the mapping, it only serves to hunt for the leanest possible mixture while cruising in 6th. Disconnecting the O2 sensors supposedly puts it back on the map, and richens up the cruising in 6th mixture, giving slightly more power and cooling it down a bit. Have done this on the bagger, not the other one. Didn't notice any real difference.

    In this state, it runs well with PBs 
    103? Road Glide, which has some Screaming Eagle stuff in it. Whoever got up the mountain first depended on who was feeling more on the pace that day. He's a safe fast rider, I felt comfortable in close brisk road riding with him.
    A Maximus tune with dyno work would get more out of both, adding a set of Lloyds torque tube intakes as well to the steel framed one would probably get it to 105 on the dyno.
    But really, they're both quick enough for me as is.

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 months
    Maximus tune from Lushy would give it every chance of a long life with all the economy and performance it can offer as set up, the narrow 02's work pretty good, they drop out when you hit it but the tune has to be right for the engine, when it is it's just magic, the power commanders are a work around but if you have access to the ECM that's a better mouse trap, but if you are happy that really is all that matters, i just love bikes and riding.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    Can Lushy offer a remote Maximus tune using a data logger?
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 months
    I don't reckon, but a phone call won't hurt. He is a good bloke Steve, honestly.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    Think I read on here he's in Port Lincoln? 
    Fred's Procycle dyno on Brisbane southside does good work on Maximus tunes too. My Gold Coast mate with shit hot Vic also has one of their full on tourers with cams, hi flow air cleaner and exhaust and  Maximus tune done there, it runs well.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 months
    Vic Harbour i think, yes I've heard from blokes in the game that Fred can do good work, there is no-one in my area that is at that level. 
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    This is the RPW Thor 2 into 1 on my mates hot Victory KingPin.
    I find the mudguards a bit challenging, but I forget that when the throttle opens.



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  • Lushy
    Lushy
    6 months
    I am in Victor Harbor. I have the Maximus gear, as many folk have had it applied, but I much prefer the Power Vision software, especially on the 2019 onwards bikes. Also have begun using Woolich racing software, I have been using it since its inception, 10 or 11 years ago, so was pleased when Justin decided to support HDs. 
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    Thanks for that Information Lushy. I'm probably not going to take any of my bikes further, it can be a slippery slope of if you're doing that, for just a little bit more you can.....
    If I was 20 years younger, and Victory still had factory support it might be different, and my Harley is points and carb, with a bit of a tired motor, and I live a long distance away.
    Can you offer remote tuning via a data logger and wide band O2 sensors?
  • Lushy
    Lushy
    6 months
    Maybe an email ? Or pm. I guess you mean supplying me data logs to use? 
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    https://www.noemtz.com/ecu-tuning
    Lushy, this bloke is one of the top Victory tuners still operating in the US. He offers traditional dyno tuning with Maximus software, but also a remote service, where you pay him, he sends you a set of wideband O2 sensors and a tablet with data logging software. You install it, ride the bike, the datlogger collects the data, including accelerometer info, you upload the data to him, and he custom maps a tune that you download and install. Do a second time to fine tune the map. You send back the sensors and the tablet. He only does it in continental US. Very useful service, saves riding to his place in Texas if you live in Oregon.
    Dunno if applicable to HD, but can't  see why not. could be a game changer for a regional shop that has a good reputation.
  • 408
    408
    6 months
    Quoting obisteve on 23 Oct 2023 02:40 PMedited: 23 Oct 2023 02:53 PM

    https://www.noemtz.com/ecu-tuning

    Lushy, this bloke is one of the top Victory tuners still operating in the US. He offers traditional dyno tuning with Maximus software, but also a remote service, where you pay him, he sends you a set of wideband O2 sensors and a tablet with data logging software. You install it, ride the bike, the datlogger collects the data, including accelerometer info, you upload the data to him, and he custom maps a tune that you download and install. Do a second time to fine tune the map. You send back the sensors and the tablet. He only does it in continental US. Very useful service, saves riding to his place in Texas if you live in Oregon.
    Dunno if applicable to HD, but can't  see why not. could be a game changer for a regional shop that has a good reputation.


    Better than no tune, well short of a decent DIY tune, and nowhere near a decent pro tune.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    Well perhaps, but it seems to me that it is a pro tune using all same tools except the dyno for the remote tune, just the tech is communicating with the tablet and the ecu over the internet, rather than standing next to it and doing it in real time. It's not just installing a downloaded canned tune.
    The pricelist said you get 2 days of tech time for the quoted price, with the option to buy more time.
    The Vic community is pretty small, only 110,000 bikes made over 18 years, the owners who use his services whether the in house dyno or the remote services and who post on the 2 main Vic forums all seem very happy both with results and the service.
    Is it applicable to Harley's, dunno, but can't see why not if a Maximus tune is involved.
    The biggest long term problem probably is the limited number of Maximus keys still available for sale after the EPA leaned on the retuning industry over there.
  • 408
    408
    6 months
    Two days of tech time with the option to buy more time is a much different scenario to riding the bike and datalogging and running the software then going a second time to fine tune the map.
    There are a multitude of cells to determine in a MAP/rpm table and appropriate riding technique can assist in filling those values efficiently but it is still nowhere near as efficient as tuning on a dyno where required values are targetted.
    A pro tuner will have a library of calibrations available to use for a starting map and may still need 20 to 30 runfiles to home in on a final tune.
    Then there is the question of risking life and limb in acquiring some data that can be readily obtained on the dyno.


  • obisteve
    obisteve
    6 months
    Not advocating for remote tuning or looking for an argument with you 408, GM gave Lushy a good wrap as a tuner, and as he works in South Oz and I live in Qld, not gonna get there to put it on a dyno. GM didn't know if Lushy offered a remote tuning service and suggested I ask him, so I did. Lushy asked what I meant, so I gave a rough description and posted the link to Noe Martinez site. At that stage I had the answer to my question, which was No.  So if I ever do want go past either of the Vics roughly 90 hp, I'll go to Fred's Procycle at Slacks Creek, only about 140 kms away.
    Any differences between my rough description and what Noe does,  run with what's on his website, including the explanation of the price list. It's all irrelevant here, he only offers the remote tuning service in the continental U.S.
    But, I would think that as he offers both in house and remote tuning, and has a reputation in the Vic community as achieving great tuning results and being an ethical and helpful person, he must be confident that the results of either tuning method are similar. But hey, what do I know? Give him a ring or email him and ask, contact details are on his Web site.
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