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The voice poll vote: YES or NO

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  • obisteve
    obisteve
    1 year ago
    Has some bastard ripped out page 6 of your booklets?
    OK, here is the proposed change to the Constitution, in its entirety, without amendment, exactly what you asked for.

    Chapter IX-- Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples
    129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice 
    In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:
     (i)  there shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;
    (ii)  the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
     (iii)  the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

    Also, there would be a change to the Constitution by adding this to the Table of Contents in the Constitution, after the reference to 'Chapter VIII Alteration of the Constitution':

    Chapter IX  Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples.

    That's the complete change that's proposed for the Constitution, the wordings been set since June.



  • evo94
    evo94
    1 year ago
    "(iii)  the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures." .....yeaaah nup! clear as mud...
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Yep I read page six as well, that clause you quoted there evo94 might as well say "vote yes and we'll screw you later at our discretion".
    Done with this topic, bring on the vote.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    1 year ago
    Quoting evo94 on 09 Sep 2023 09:55 PM

    "(iii)  the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures." .....yeaaah nup! clear as mud...

    OK, so let's look at it. This is actually a good part and means that Parliament is what makes laws about the proposed Voice, and so controls its make-up, function and powers, even after its up and running. Parliament has to follow the Constitution as always, but this helps make sure that the Voice remains an advisory body only, and cannot be above Parliament.
    This stuff is pretty easy to find out about. The Solicitor General, the country's top legal source, the Law Council of Australia, the Attorney General's department, the Australian Parliament all have a lot of factual stuff about it on their websites, just a Duck Duck Go search away.
    And Mark, I agree that we should keep emotions out it when thinking about this and discussing it, but remember that fear is an emotion too.

  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    Quoting evo94 on 09 Sep 2023 09:55 PM

    "(iii)  the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures." .....yeaaah nup! clear as mud...

    Quoting obisteve on 10 Sep 2023 12:41 PM

    OK, so let's look at it. This is actually a good part and means that Parliament is what makes laws about the proposed Voice, and so controls its make-up, function and powers, even after its up and running. Parliament has to follow the Constitution as always, but this helps make sure that the Voice remains an advisory body only, and cannot be above Parliament.

    This stuff is pretty easy to find out about. The Solicitor General, the country's top legal source, the Law Council of Australia, the Attorney General's department, the Australian Parliament all have a lot of factual stuff about it on their websites, just a Duck Duck Go search away.
    And Mark, I agree that we should keep emotions out it when thinking about this and discussing it, but remember that fear is an emotion too.


    Here you go, this may make it a bit easier to understand

    " (iii)  the Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice "

    On election night, the Prime Minister made it clear that he would implement the Uluru Statement from the Heart, in full.

  • Hoodeng
    Hoodeng
    1 year ago
    The constitution of any country is pretty much it's operation manual, it is written as such to be non racial, non political, non religious [as for as those concepts could be envisioned in the time of writing] . In most country's it has at its forefront the freedoms of it's citizens in all aspects of their lives. It is held in a way that makes it very difficult to change, this is for a very good reason, no political party of any persuasion can reinterpret it to reflect their wishes/goals at any time to easily change it.

    To think a one page document 'in its simplicity an elegance' could change the constitution to such a far ranging unforeseen\unpredictable  outcome to me is every reason to leave the thing alone.

    If any government sees this sociological, racially divisive vote as a must have, let them put their proposals in to legislation. They have the numbers to force it through. If the plan does not evolve into its intended vision it can be changed and tuned to respond  to any aberration along the way, [who knows? even better ideas could be readily included into the legislation], but if it turns into a big hole of money and division it can still be sorted out.

    Once it is in the constitution it's holy ground, nothing can change it, least not those on the receiving end of this racially influenced  money and prestige.

    Recognition is one thing that can be accommodated,,, creating an self controlled independent monster protected by the constitution is completely another  thing.


  • Train
    Train
    1 year ago
    Massive No from me.
    But I don't trust any of these fuckers. could be a 75% no vote and they'll somehow win
  • bloodog
    bloodog
    1 year ago
    Quoting Train on 13 Sep 2023 02:04 AM

    Massive No from me.

    But I don't trust any of these fuckers. could be a 75% no vote and they'll somehow win

    This was in the letter box today 
    Looking like FNQ are being swayed to vote NO 
  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    1 year ago
    Quoting Train on 13 Sep 2023 02:04 AM

    Massive No from me.

    But I don't trust any of these fuckers. could be a 75% no vote and they'll somehow win

    Quoting bloodog on 13 Sep 2023 02:56 AM

    This was in the letter box today 

    Looking like FNQ are being swayed to vote NO 

    we got a simular email today from our member, finally something we can agree on
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    I did say I was done with this buuuuut I watched Senator Jacinta Price address the National Press Club today, lady tells it like it is, it's worth listening to what she has to say, linky.
  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 14 Sep 2023 04:54 AMedited: 14 Sep 2023 12:09 PM

    I did say I was done with this buuuuut I watched Senator Jacinta Price address the National Press Club today, lady tells it like it is, it's worth listening to what she has to say, linky.


    She had a fair bit to say, most of it very relevant for the 'No' campaign, and her comments will give some of those sitting on the fence something to think about.
  • evo94
    evo94
    1 year ago
    im sick to fkg death of repeat Yes vote ads buttin in during NRL games on TV.....piss off ya cnts
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    1 year ago
    and stuff all NO adds anywhere.Albo has a wheel barrow full of some elses cash and is pushing it hard.
  • Pedro123
    Pedro123
    1 year ago
    You get the feeling that saying NO would be taken as a racist remark somehow.
  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    1 year ago
    Quoting Pedro123 on 16 Sep 2023 05:44 AM

    You get the feeling that saying NO would be taken as a racist remark somehow.

    "get the feeling" is understating it a bit
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    1 year ago
    I was having a look at what the bookies are paying on the referendum.
    YES is paying 5 bucks something.

    NO is paying $ 1.11


  • Pedro123
    Pedro123
    1 year ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 19 Sep 2023 10:42 AMedited: 19 Sep 2023 10:55 AM

    I was having a look at what the bookies are paying on the referendum.

    YES is paying 5 bucks something.

    NO is paying $ 1.11


    Trying to rig the books to get more votes?
    All the reading I have done suggests the complete opposite.
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    1 year ago
    Don't think the bookies would be trying to rig anything.  
    They dont often get it wrong. 

  • Humbug
    Humbug
    1 year ago
    Went and voted today,nice quiet and relaxed. Will vote early from now on its just so easy compared to polling day.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Quoting Humbug on 05 Oct 2023 08:41 AM

    Went and voted today,nice quiet and relaxed. Will vote early from now on its just so easy compared to polling day.

    Did the same yesterday, easy as 👍
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