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  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 16 Aug 2023 10:36 AM

    Wait! He has a heart?

    Quoting paulybronco on 16 Aug 2023 11:58 AM

    Yes but its a "Pro Hart" hanging in the lodge

    Met a chick in the late 80's with his ants on her tank, she ran into him in Broken Hill, she used to carry her dingo on the bike wherever she went, bet she still has the tank hanging on her wall.
  • bloodog
    bloodog
    1 year ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 16 Aug 2023 10:36 AM

    Wait! He has a heart?

    Quoting paulybronco on 16 Aug 2023 11:58 AM

    Yes but its a "Pro Hart" hanging in the lodge

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 16 Aug 2023 10:07 PM

    Met a chick in the late 80's with his ants on her tank, she ran into him in Broken Hill, she used to carry her dingo on the bike wherever she went, bet she still has the tank hanging on her wall.

    Granny snatcher GM 
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    1 year ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 16 Aug 2023 10:36 AM

    Wait! He has a heart?

    Quoting paulybronco on 16 Aug 2023 11:58 AM

    Yes but its a "Pro Hart" hanging in the lodge

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 16 Aug 2023 10:07 PM

    Met a chick in the late 80's with his ants on her tank, she ran into him in Broken Hill, she used to carry her dingo on the bike wherever she went, bet she still has the tank hanging on her wall.

    Probably still has the dingo's skin as a pillow.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    Its interesting that non of the media have jumped on Albo telling us he hadn't even read the full document about the voice.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 23 Aug 2023 06:57 AM

    If you can stomach it read till the end, should teach this in schools instead of the hand wringing lefty apologist bullshit they do now!


    Quoting Neale on 23 Aug 2023 07:33 AM

    Wonder if this is on albo’s one page document ?

    Not a chance brother, does not fit his narrative at all
  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    Doesn’t sound like much fun for the young women.
    I wouldn’t be putting my hand up for a subincision either.
  • bloodog
    bloodog
    1 year ago
    So when we all vote a tick in the box is taken as a yes 
    A cross in the box is taken as a yes also 

  • Hoodeng
    Hoodeng
    1 year ago
    I think one thing that matters is that whatever way you think you might vote, emotion has to take a back seat.
    If you want to excite and consolidate a  person with a different opinion to yours, get on a soap box.

    If we stick to facts yet to be explained, for example,
      Where in the proposal in its fullness,  detailing point by point the future effect on land sovereignty of ownership by a person who has a title deed?

    Will there be legislation created to make any sitting government,federal,state, local  be  bound by a third chambers advice to factor in all or part of that advice.[ I also feel the word advice is not appropriate, directive is probably more applicable].

    A person in one of the TV announcements that will be a direct contributor to the constitutional change proposal , when asked about a direct effect concluded their statement with  “And so on and so forth”.

    I need ‘so on and so forth’ explained.

  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    1 year ago
    I work on "if there is doubt" vote NO
    If you vote yes and the motion gets up, there is now VERY minimal chance there will be amendments

    If it is defeated, changes can be made and a re-vote can be had
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Just sharing stuff that comes along, did you read the Uluru Statement From The Heart? The Voice is step one according to the 26 pages.
    There are a great many political utterances that need expanded explanation and full clarity, not trust us we will work it out later! 
    How people vote is up to them, I'm astounded as to what has come to light(and hasn't) in the lead up so far, it was initially branded as recognition, I was ok with that, seems it's a bit more than that now.
  • bloodog
    bloodog
    1 year ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 24 Aug 2023 05:47 AM

    Just sharing stuff that comes along, did you read the Uluru Statement From The Heart? The Voice is step one according to the 26 pages.

    There are a great many political utterances that need expanded explanation and full clarity, not trust us we will work it out later! 
    How people vote is up to them, I'm astounded as to what has come to light(and hasn't) in the lead up so far, it was initially branded as recognition, I was ok with that, seems it's a bit more than that now.

    The paper SFTH is unreadable to the average person, I must have spoken to 10 people who have held it in there hand and had a go at reading it. 
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Of particular note is the second last paragraph that refers to truth telling, that is why I linked the article on violence against Aboriginal women, truth is truth, colonisation did not cause that issue, you could argue the opposite in fact, this whole voice thing is a first step, makarrata encompasses treaty and compensation(pay the rent) for the wrongs some white blokes did 200 years ago, I'm not making it up, it's all in the public realm. 
  • GGUser260
    GGUser260
    1 year ago
    The Commonwealth Constitution was drafted by some very clever people over 100 years ago. It has been the foundation for a very stable democracy in the context of world politics. The current WOKE politicians can't hold a candle to the original forefathers' foresight. Do you feel like supporting the current change to our constitution? Yes or No
    ps if you have any doubt about all of the long-term ramifications of the current proposal are you still prepared to support a change?
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    1 year ago
    I get where your comeing from, but look where that argument has gotten the yanks...  they have turned into a third world nation now thanks to their constitution.
  • Daffy
    Daffy
    1 year ago
    Quoting GGUser260 on 25 Aug 2023 11:39 AMedited: 25 Aug 2023 12:11 PM

    The Commonwealth Constitution was drafted by some very clever people over 100 years ago. It has been the foundation for a very stable democracy in the context of world politics. The current WOKE politicians can't hold a candle to the original forefathers' foresight. Do you feel like supporting the current change to our constitution? Yes or No

    ps if you have any doubt about all of the long-term ramifications of the current proposal are you still prepared to support a change?

    When and for what reason was the last time the constitution was changed? I am opposed to being accused of being racist if I don’t vote yes. That is what the yes campaign seems to be inferring.I believe our First Nations people have more of a voice now. And so they should have. I’m concerned about the Pandora’s box this will open. 
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    1 year ago
    The American constitution has been changed a lot, I think 31 amendments, and some for really dumbarse reasons (ban the sale and consumption of alcohol? Who thought that was a good idea?) and the worrying thing is that politicians can change it without the people being involved, yet they still rave about it being sacred. Ours is a far more bureaucratic piece of work, dull as dogshit, and yet only the people can change it. Politicians have to follow  the decision, so if the peoples decision is not to constitutionally recognise an indigenous group to advise parliament, they can't set one up.
    In the same way way, if the people vote yes, parliament can't constitutionally recognise a group to give them binding advice. It's just advice, it's not enforceable, they don't have to act on it.
    An indigenous group to advise federal parliament on indigenous affairs has been set up twice before, I didn't notice the world ending, maybe just too busy riding my bike.
    The problem was, twice when they didn't like the advice, they abolished the group. To be fair, with ATSIC, there was corruption there. These days that can be handled with the new federal anti corruption body, just cut the rot out, no need to abolish the organisation.
    And the affect of an indigenous voice to parliament on private land holdings? This is shit simple, and not hidden and has been put out there: none. This was settled in the original high court decision on native title. Granting of freehold title extinguishes native title. No exceptions. Done, dusted decided years ago by the highest court in the land.
  • bloodog
    bloodog
    1 year ago
    I think changing the constitution of Australia just shows we’re a forward moving country, that listens to its people. 
    This particular vote is fine by me so long as it done fair and square. 
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