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  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    Interesting that a local block of luxury units has just gone through the exercise of getting quotes to supply 40 charge points to their underground basement. Each unit has two dedicated car spots so the intention was to supply one per unit. Total cost......$2.2 million!!!!!! The council requires a complete update of the fire suppression system, the power coming into the building has to be significantly upgraded to support the charging capacity. The building insurance needed to be  upgraded due to the added risks associated with the increased fire risk. Needless to say residents are not voting anytime soon for work to start.
  • B0nes
    B0nes
    1 year ago
    Personally I don't think it's been thought out to well. EV's are being pushed on us as the way of the future. Noticed an article the other day that reported many shutdown during the blizzard that hit the US because of the extremely low temps. Battery replacement costs are another factor that has not been thought out also. Came across an article a few weeks ago that stated if you purchase an EV you would need to clock up 100,000km before it becomes viable if you only purchased it to help the environment. The infrastructure will cost billions to implement. They maybe ok if you want a car for running around the city but if you travel long distances like Brisbane to Adelaide or Melbourne, your severely restricted with charging times. In my opinion they should be pushing hydrogen which they can produce with green technology which is available now.
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    1 year ago
    Quoting B0nes on 31 Dec 2022 12:40 AMedited: 31 Dec 2022 12:41 AM

    Personally I don't think it's been thought out to well. EV's are being pushed on us as the way of the future. Noticed an article the other day that reported many shutdown during the blizzard that hit the US because of the extremely low temps. Battery replacement costs are another factor that has not been thought out also. Came across an article a few weeks ago that stated if you purchase an EV you would need to clock up 100,000km before it becomes viable if you only purchased it to help the environment. The infrastructure will cost billions to implement. They maybe ok if you want a car for running around the city but if you travel long distances like Brisbane to Adelaide or Melbourne, your severely restricted with charging times. In my opinion they should be pushing hydrogen which they can produce with green technology which is available now.

    Yeah B0nes and it’s worse,
    Don’t know how to send links but if you google,
    “Volvo XC40 Recharge white paper”
    it gives a very detailed run down on the car including recycling issues. Of interest is the Conclusions page which includes the following.
    “It shows that
    all break-even points for the tested electricity mixes occur within the used driving distance of 200 000 km.”

    Some manufacturers are moving away from Lithium iron batts and I only bought my RAV hybrid as it runs Nickel metal hydride. Even then, I doubt the benefits, as I live in the Adelaide hills it’s getting 6ltrs per 100ks. Not exactly great, ok in the city it’s 4.4 but anything over 80kph it’s 6 at best.
    I’m also hanging out for Hydrogen. Hopefully the Toyota and Hyundai test cars will be available in the not too distant future. Even then there will be filling issues.


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  • B0nes
    B0nes
    1 year ago
    Quoting B0nes on 31 Dec 2022 12:40 AMedited: 31 Dec 2022 12:41 AM

    Personally I don't think it's been thought out to well. EV's are being pushed on us as the way of the future. Noticed an article the other day that reported many shutdown during the blizzard that hit the US because of the extremely low temps. Battery replacement costs are another factor that has not been thought out also. Came across an article a few weeks ago that stated if you purchase an EV you would need to clock up 100,000km before it becomes viable if you only purchased it to help the environment. The infrastructure will cost billions to implement. They maybe ok if you want a car for running around the city but if you travel long distances like Brisbane to Adelaide or Melbourne, your severely restricted with charging times. In my opinion they should be pushing hydrogen which they can produce with green technology which is available now.

    Quoting Ratbob on 31 Dec 2022 02:42 AM

    Yeah B0nes and it’s worse,

    Don’t know how to send links but if you google,
    “Volvo XC40 Recharge white paper”
    it gives a very detailed run down on the car including recycling issues. Of interest is the Conclusions page which includes the following.
    “It shows that
    all break-even points for the tested electricity mixes occur within the used driving distance of 200 000 km.”

    Some manufacturers are moving away from Lithium iron batts and I only bought my RAV hybrid as it runs Nickel metal hydride. Even then, I doubt the benefits, as I live in the Adelaide hills it’s getting 6ltrs per 100ks. Not exactly great, ok in the city it’s 4.4 but anything over 80kph it’s 6 at best.
    I’m also hanging out for Hydrogen. Hopefully the Toyota and Hyundai test cars will be available in the not too distant future. Even then there will be filling issues.


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    Love the Adelaide Hills, usually travel once a year there and stay in Hahndorf. Regarding hybrid, the missus was looking to upgrade to one but told her to wait as I couldn't see the point at this time and hopefully hydrogen will be coming along sooner than later and her car (an early RAV) is still running well.
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    1 year ago
    Quoting B0nes on 31 Dec 2022 12:40 AMedited: 31 Dec 2022 12:41 AM

    Personally I don't think it's been thought out to well. EV's are being pushed on us as the way of the future. Noticed an article the other day that reported many shutdown during the blizzard that hit the US because of the extremely low temps. Battery replacement costs are another factor that has not been thought out also. Came across an article a few weeks ago that stated if you purchase an EV you would need to clock up 100,000km before it becomes viable if you only purchased it to help the environment. The infrastructure will cost billions to implement. They maybe ok if you want a car for running around the city but if you travel long distances like Brisbane to Adelaide or Melbourne, your severely restricted with charging times. In my opinion they should be pushing hydrogen which they can produce with green technology which is available now.

    Quoting Ratbob on 31 Dec 2022 02:42 AM

    Yeah B0nes and it’s worse,

    Don’t know how to send links but if you google,
    “Volvo XC40 Recharge white paper”
    it gives a very detailed run down on the car including recycling issues. Of interest is the Conclusions page which includes the following.
    “It shows that
    all break-even points for the tested electricity mixes occur within the used driving distance of 200 000 km.”

    Some manufacturers are moving away from Lithium iron batts and I only bought my RAV hybrid as it runs Nickel metal hydride. Even then, I doubt the benefits, as I live in the Adelaide hills it’s getting 6ltrs per 100ks. Not exactly great, ok in the city it’s 4.4 but anything over 80kph it’s 6 at best.
    I’m also hanging out for Hydrogen. Hopefully the Toyota and Hyundai test cars will be available in the not too distant future. Even then there will be filling issues.


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    Quoting B0nes on 31 Dec 2022 02:49 AM

    Love the Adelaide Hills, usually travel once a year there and stay in Hahndorf. Regarding hybrid, the missus was looking to upgrade to one but told her to wait as I couldn't see the point at this time and hopefully hydrogen will be coming along sooner than later and her car (an early RAV) is still running well.

    Yeah, the hills are good, I’m in the next town up from Hahndorf. Lol, if you’re waiting for her RAV to fail you’re likely in for a long run, our 16 year old Corolla simply won’t quit, not one issue to date.
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    1 year ago
    Getting back to Pauly’s original post, yeah I’m definitely concerned about the fire hazard. There’s been a few car fires up our way and the press are either too dim to report it or simply don’t know whether the cars were electric.  My insurance broker told me he definitely needs to know if we’ve installed a lithium-ion car charger even if it’s outside.
    I guess we all remember the fate of the Felicity Ace, carrying some 4000 Lux cars including electric Porsche Taycans, the guess is that one went into thermal overload. Shows how uncontrollable these batt fires are when the crew abandoned a purpose built car carrier that was equiped to handle conventional fires.
  • Humbug
    Humbug
    1 year ago
    Found this on carsales.com Jul 2022 by Andrew Maclean

    High-voltage battery warranties for EVs sold in Australia:
    Audi – eight years/160,000km
    BYD – seven years/160,000km
    Hyundai – eight years/160,000km
    Kia – seven years/150,000km on HV battery
    Mercedes-Benz – eight years/160,000km
    MG – seven years/unlimited (commercial limited to 160,000km)
    MINI – seven years/100,000km
    Nissan – eight years/160,000km
    Polestar – eight years/160,000km
    Tesla Model S – eight years/240,000km
    Model X – eight years/240,000km
    Model 3/Y rear wheel drive – eight years/160,000km
    Model 3 Performance/Long Range – eight years/192,000km
    Model Y Performance – eight years/192,000km
    Volvo – eight years/unlimited
    As a rule of thumb, global battery production costs have dropped to approximately $125/kWh, meaning for example that car-makers are buying a 100kWh battery pack for $12,500 before they’ve even dropped it into the car.
    Like any other replacement part, consumers will likely pay more than double that much from a dealer in order for the car-maker to recover overheads like logistics and storage while also making some retail margin.
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