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  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    So, a photo referring to the private info disclosed to Lehrmann's solicitor by police. The DPP  at that stage were trying to recover it before it was accessed. Now they want to know how and why?
    I have already referred to that.

    And two opinion pieces by people who think the same as you. Why would anyone be interested in that?
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    Quoting 408 on 04 Dec 2022 09:49 AM

    So, a photo referring to the private info disclosed to Lehrmann's solicitor by police. The DPP  at that stage were trying to recover it before it was accessed. Now they want to know how and why?
    I have already referred to that.

    And two opinion pieces by people who think the same as you. Why would anyone be interested in that?

    So do you think she's a victim or a actress.  
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Quoting 408 on 04 Dec 2022 09:49 AM

    So, a photo referring to the private info disclosed to Lehrmann's solicitor by police. The DPP  at that stage were trying to recover it before it was accessed. Now they want to know how and why?
    I have already referred to that.

    And two opinion pieces by people who think the same as you. Why would anyone be interested in that?

    Quoting paulybronco on 04 Dec 2022 11:17 AM

    So do you think she's a victim or a actress.  

    Not answering for him but initially given the way his story changed I figured he stuck his pecker in the drunk girl but the truth is I wasn't there so I don't know for certain, no justice here for either of them just a fucken media circus 
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    1 year ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 02 Dec 2022 09:14 AM

    It's been very interesting to observe how many have either party guilty or innocent based on what's been reported or opined in the media. And if what has been reported about the trial is accurate, from what I've read neither seem to be particularly credible witnesses under the circumstances.


    Unfortunately the outcome is two lives (at least) are now certainly never going to be the same and the media has had a field day.

    Quoting tussuck on 02 Dec 2022 11:11 PM

    I am even worse!  I have not followed this at all as i do not listen to the news.  


    I just saw a picture of him and he oozes Pedo/Sleezball 100% which was enough for me...

    Haha, so you're confident the saying don't judge a book by its cover has no place in this instance?

    This is a pretty good article from the Brisbane Times on the whole shit show here, it's credited to a Barrister.

  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    One point in particular there Jay-Dee...
    Boland also makes reference to the fact that Detective Superintendant Moller says that he would not have charged Lehrmann but the decision was taken out of his hands.
    I have read a number of articles that indicate that the call was always the responsibility of the DPP, but certainly the police did not like it.
    The AFP were raising concerns about the prosecution in June 2021.
    The DPP charged Lehrmann in August 2021.
    The unlawful disclosure of Higgins' personal information, by police, to Lehrmann's defence, occurred in September 2021.

    As part of the process the police required Higgins to hand over her phone.
    She deleted some stuff she did not want them to have, and she shared with some friends some information that she may need to rely on, and was concerned may disappear while in police hands.

    Now private text messages have been shared with the media. I doubt it was her friends.

    I find it extraordinary, the extent of the negative involvement towards Higgins by police.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    I would just pay her $3mill.....not sure why, because there was no conviction, no DNA or indeed anything other than her word to indicate anything happened. 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 02 Dec 2022 09:14 AM

    It's been very interesting to observe how many have either party guilty or innocent based on what's been reported or opined in the media. And if what has been reported about the trial is accurate, from what I've read neither seem to be particularly credible witnesses under the circumstances.


    Unfortunately the outcome is two lives (at least) are now certainly never going to be the same and the media has had a field day.

    Quoting tussuck on 02 Dec 2022 11:11 PM

    I am even worse!  I have not followed this at all as i do not listen to the news.  


    I just saw a picture of him and he oozes Pedo/Sleezball 100% which was enough for me...

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 05 Dec 2022 08:20 AM

    Haha, so you're confident the saying don't judge a book by its cover has no place in this instance?


    This is a pretty good article from the Brisbane Times on the whole shit show here, it's credited to a Barrister.

    Good article Jay Dee.
  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    Quoting 408 on 04 Dec 2022 09:49 AM

    So, a photo referring to the private info disclosed to Lehrmann's solicitor by police. The DPP  at that stage were trying to recover it before it was accessed. Now they want to know how and why?
    I have already referred to that.

    And two opinion pieces by people who think the same as you. Why would anyone be interested in that?

    Quoting paulybronco on 04 Dec 2022 11:17 AM

    So do you think she's a victim or a actress.  


    I don't know where you get the notion that she may be acting about the rape.
    Some of her decisions later were questionable, and she has certainly relied on help and advice from some real nutters.
    But that night, the odds would be better than even money, that she was raped.

    She reckoned she had just as much alcohol as the other members in the group.
    She was pissed when she checked in with security. She had fallen on the grass outside , just prior to coming in the door, she was unable to put her shoes back on after removing them for the security scanner, and I believe Lehrmann signed her in, probably because that would have been a struggle for her too.
    She said she fell asleep on the couch waiting for Lehrmann and awoke to find her dress rolled up around her waist with him on top of her, going at it.
    She said she shouted at him to get off, and then it seems she passed out again.
    The security guard found her naked, with the dress on the floor, and left her there.
    She came out some hours later and went home.

    I don't have any trouble believing any of that.

    She decided not to report the rape because she thought she would lose her job.  I don't have a problem with that.

    There would not likely have been any of Lehrmann's DNA on the dress, and she would have showered sometime after getting home.
    It didn't take long for word to get out about what had happened, and the office and the couch were cleaned the next day.
    So there was no physical proof of the rape.

  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    Are you taking the piss? So in the absence of evidence or fact we can substitute our own story to fit the agenda to send someone to gaol. Two people know what happened. Her case wont proceed but he will always be associated with a alleged rape and she will forever be a victim regardless of the crucial fact that he pleaded not guilty and was never convicted.
    And without a conviction or any proof of any misconduct we now need to defend a claim of $3mill from her.
  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 05 Dec 2022 11:51 AM

    Are you taking the piss? So in the absence of evidence or fact we can substitute our own story to fit the agenda to send someone to gaol. Two people know what happened. Her case wont proceed but he will always be associated with a alleged rape and she will forever be a victim regardless of the crucial fact that he pleaded not guilty and was never convicted.

    And without a conviction or any proof of any misconduct we now need to defend a claim of $3mill from her.


    No, not taking the piss.
    There are plenty of facts and circumstantial evidence.
    And I haven't mentioned his lies or demeanor.
    I know which way I would bet.

    She should sue AFP for shafting her.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    The facts are very few thats why a jury was unable to reach a verdict. Other than agreeing they had drinks with a group afterwork then sharing a ride to Parliament house the remainder has no agreed facts. He told several versions of why he was there , possibly  also  to attempt to retain his job....only he knows. 
    You need to tread very lightly when judging peoples demeanor....Lindy Chamberlain....Joanne Lees are classic examples of how our perception of a person should react under duress.
    Anyway i think your suggestion of just placing a innocent or guilty bet could just take off and save us a shit load on the judicial system.    
  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 06 Dec 2022 12:28 AM

    The facts are very few thats why a jury was unable to reach a verdict. Other than agreeing they had drinks with a group afterwork then sharing a ride to Parliament house the remainder has no agreed facts. He told several versions of why he was there , possibly  also  to attempt to retain his job....only he knows. 

    You need to tread very lightly when judging peoples demeanor....Lindy Chamberlain....Joanne Lees are classic examples of how our perception of a person should react under duress.
    Anyway i think your suggestion of just placing a innocent or guilty bet could just take off and save us a shit load on the judicial system.    


    I see how you get easily confused. You do know the jury was discharged before they were able to reach a verdict ?
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    They were deliberating for 5 days and couldn't reach a verdict. Guess the evidence was that compelling and extensive... 
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    1 year ago
    I said from the get go when the jury was dismissed that whoever it was that broke the rules likely did it deliberately to get them all out of it as it was going nowhere.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    1 year ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 06 Dec 2022 09:36 AM

    I said from the get go when the jury was dismissed that whoever it was that broke the rules likely did it deliberately to get them all out of it as it was going nowhere.

    Could well be
  • Scouser
    Scouser
    1 year ago
    Yep the jury could not reach a verdict after 5 days
    And they knew all the FACTS
    Not just guessing like quite a few others

    So I guess it wasnt as open and closed like The Project and a few politicians thought
  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    The trial is over and suppression orders have been lifted.
    As reported by some media outlets, after seeing Lehrmann's picture in the media, a couple of other women came forward and made complaints of sexual harassment to police. Lehrmann's defence wanted to have the trial aborted but the judge put suppression orders in place instead, to ensure that the jury was only able to rely on the evidence presented in this case.
    " Yep the jury could not reach a verdict after 5 days
      And they knew all the FACTS"
    Might have been a different result if the jury had known all the facts.

    Looks like tussuck was right all along.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 year ago
    Again do you not see the difference between allegation and fact?  Lehrmann was accused of sexually harassing or assaulting other women in articles that have since been deleted, after a suppression order was lifted on Friday afternoon.
    Does it not raise any thought in your mind as to why the author or publisher chose to delete the article/s......this was their big chance to break the story and have their name in lights, but no they cowardly swung a few punches and ran away. That seems to be the only FACT .
    Imagine just for a second if the jury got to see the Brittany texts, you remember dont you....... Higgins joked in text messages about crying on The Project to deflect criticism in the media, and, six weeks before the alleged rape, wanting a political sex scandal:

    ‘A sex scandal the party can be proud of. Another Barnaby but without the baby haha,’ Higgins wrote. None of this was revealed in the trial. 
     I think Lehrman is going to sue a series of people and TV stations over how they've defamed him. Lets see how they respond under pressure...
  • 408
    408
    1 year ago
    I doubt any of these women will pursue a complaint now, unless they have photos of a black eye or a cut lip to go with it.
    We shall see.

    "Imagine just for a second if the jury got to see the Brittany texts, you remember dont you....... Higgins joked in text messages about crying on The Project to deflect criticism in the media, and, six weeks before the alleged rape, wanting a political sex scandal:

     ‘A sex scandal the party can be proud of. Another Barnaby but without the baby haha,’ Higgins wrote. None of this was revealed in    the trial. "

    You referred to these 'text messages' previously.  Are they Brittany's text messages?  Who provided them to the media ?

    Do you not see the difference between allegation and fact?


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