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  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Just a heads up on the Johnson Hilift SE lifters, mine had been in the bike for around 16k KMs, high lift cams and heavy springs are hard on lifters but these are rated by some engine builders in the states.
    Started getting noisier recently valve train wise so decided to change the lifters a little earlier than what I had in mind, bloody lucky I did!
    One was about to grenade, other three have acceptable bearing clearance, moral I guess, if your bike changes the usual noise check the filter for metal asap as you might save it.
    Will try and upload a vid.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Dunno how to do a vid upload, nothing seems to happen
  • steelo
    steelo
    2 years ago
    How big is the file gm?  Some videos need to be uploaded to yt and linked. 
  • John.R
    John.R
    2 years ago
    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 07:53 AM

    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!

    Good luck, I used comp cams 850's, are they the same John?
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 07:53 AM

    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!

    I'll check mate
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 07:53 AM

    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 23 Jan 2022 08:36 AM

    I'll check mate

    20mb
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    2 years ago
    Jeez, Steelo, 20mb
  • John.R
    John.R
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 07:53 AM

    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 23 Jan 2022 08:36 AM

    Good luck, I used comp cams 850's, are they the same John?

    Looks like they might be for the same application, except mine are GM parts. Same idea though!
  • FBUser214
    FBUser214
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 07:53 AM

    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!



  • John.R
    John.R
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 07:53 AM

    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!

    Quoting FBUser214 on 23 Jan 2022 01:07 PM



    video
    Shocker, S&S wants you to use S&S lifters haha.

    There's some pretty big name shops that I understand use these lifters...


  • FBUser214
    FBUser214
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 07:53 AM

    I'm about to throw some GM LS7 lifters in mine... wish me luck!

    Quoting FBUser214 on 23 Jan 2022 01:07 PM



    video
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 10:33 PM

    Shocker, S&S wants you to use S&S lifters haha.


    There's some pretty big name shops that I understand use these lifters...



    Definitely promoting S&S lifters and running at minimum rpm but doesn't change the fact that harley lifters have a different internal design to pump oil more efficiently at much lower pressures.
  • John.R
    John.R
    2 years ago
    Quoting FBUser214 on 23 Jan 2022 01:07 PM



    video
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 10:33 PM

    Shocker, S&S wants you to use S&S lifters haha.


    There's some pretty big name shops that I understand use these lifters...


    Quoting FBUser214 on 23 Jan 2022 11:29 PM


    Definitely promoting S&S lifters and running at minimum rpm but doesn't change the fact that harley lifters have a different internal design to pump oil more efficiently at much lower pressures.


    They compared their S&S lifters to some type? of AC V8 lifter.

    They didn't compare an OEM Harley lifter to a V8 lifter...

    Also, he absolutely did not say they have a different internal design... he actually avoided pointing out ANY design differences at all, which seemed extremely odd for a marketing video. 

    Normally they'd be at pains to mention technical differences (however minute) to justify why they're better. He could have mentioned the size of oil input and output holes, bleed down rates, lifter travel, bearings etc, anything. Rather, just said "Think about this, different temperate variations? Different pressures?" 

    Finally, I think you'll find OEM Harley lifters are the same as V8 lifters, except worst spec and more expensive.

    I've seen some pics of different sized oil holes etc on various lifters, so checked mine against factory out of curiousity. Good to go.




  • FBUser214
    FBUser214
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 10:33 PM

    Shocker, S&S wants you to use S&S lifters haha.


    There's some pretty big name shops that I understand use these lifters...


    Quoting FBUser214 on 23 Jan 2022 11:29 PM


    Definitely promoting S&S lifters and running at minimum rpm but doesn't change the fact that harley lifters have a different internal design to pump oil more efficiently at much lower pressures.

    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 11:52 PMedited: 23 Jan 2022 11:53 PM


    They compared their S&S lifters to some type? of AC V8 lifter.

    They didn't compare an OEM Harley lifter to a V8 lifter...

    Also, he absolutely did not say they have a different internal design... he actually avoided pointing out ANY design differences at all, which seemed extremely odd for a marketing video. 

    Normally they'd be at pains to mention technical differences (however minute) to justify why they're better. He could have mentioned the size of oil input and output holes, bleed down rates, lifter travel, bearings etc, anything. Rather, just said "Think about this, different temperate variations? Different pressures?" 

    Finally, I think you'll find OEM Harley lifters are the same as V8 lifters, except worst spec and more expensive.

    I've seen some pics of different sized oil holes etc on various lifters, so checked mine against factory out of curiousity. Good to go.





    Feuling also have a youtube video out showing pretty much the same thing as the S&S vid.
    Harley lifters generally have a larger oil resevoir and plunger. The piddle valve plays an important part in metering oil flow.
    I've seen posts about old timers pulling the chevy lifters apart and modifying the internals themselves to improve oil supply at the lower oil pressures that harleys operate at, before harley specific lifters were readily available.
    Doesn't matter to me what kind of lifters you put in your bike, but there are others reading this thread, and guys doing a search in the future, who might think it is a good idea.
    And when I say harley lifters I do not mean oem, I would never put them in my bike.

  • John.R
    John.R
    2 years ago
    Quoting FBUser214 on 23 Jan 2022 11:29 PM


    Definitely promoting S&S lifters and running at minimum rpm but doesn't change the fact that harley lifters have a different internal design to pump oil more efficiently at much lower pressures.

    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 11:52 PMedited: 23 Jan 2022 11:53 PM


    They compared their S&S lifters to some type? of AC V8 lifter.

    They didn't compare an OEM Harley lifter to a V8 lifter...

    Also, he absolutely did not say they have a different internal design... he actually avoided pointing out ANY design differences at all, which seemed extremely odd for a marketing video. 

    Normally they'd be at pains to mention technical differences (however minute) to justify why they're better. He could have mentioned the size of oil input and output holes, bleed down rates, lifter travel, bearings etc, anything. Rather, just said "Think about this, different temperate variations? Different pressures?" 

    Finally, I think you'll find OEM Harley lifters are the same as V8 lifters, except worst spec and more expensive.

    I've seen some pics of different sized oil holes etc on various lifters, so checked mine against factory out of curiousity. Good to go.




    Quoting FBUser214 on 24 Jan 2022 12:18 AMedited: 24 Jan 2022 12:51 AM


    Feuling also have a youtube video out showing pretty much the same thing as the S&S vid.
    Harley lifters generally have a larger oil resevoir and plunger. The piddle valve plays an important part in metering oil flow.
    I've seen posts about old timers pulling the chevy lifters apart and modifying the internals themselves to improve oil supply at the lower oil pressures that harleys operate at, before harley specific lifters were readily available.
    Doesn't matter to me what kind of lifters you put in your bike, but there are others reading this thread, and guys doing a search in the future, who might think it is a good idea.
    And when I say harley lifters I do not mean oem, I would never put them in my bike.

    Yeah if you've pulled em down yourself and compared differences, I'll take your word. Just becareful not to fall for apple vs oranges comparisons.

    "Harley lifters" is a VERY broad term.
  • FBUser214
    FBUser214
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 23 Jan 2022 11:52 PMedited: 23 Jan 2022 11:53 PM


    They compared their S&S lifters to some type? of AC V8 lifter.

    They didn't compare an OEM Harley lifter to a V8 lifter...

    Also, he absolutely did not say they have a different internal design... he actually avoided pointing out ANY design differences at all, which seemed extremely odd for a marketing video. 

    Normally they'd be at pains to mention technical differences (however minute) to justify why they're better. He could have mentioned the size of oil input and output holes, bleed down rates, lifter travel, bearings etc, anything. Rather, just said "Think about this, different temperate variations? Different pressures?" 

    Finally, I think you'll find OEM Harley lifters are the same as V8 lifters, except worst spec and more expensive.

    I've seen some pics of different sized oil holes etc on various lifters, so checked mine against factory out of curiousity. Good to go.




    Quoting FBUser214 on 24 Jan 2022 12:18 AMedited: 24 Jan 2022 12:51 AM


    Feuling also have a youtube video out showing pretty much the same thing as the S&S vid.
    Harley lifters generally have a larger oil resevoir and plunger. The piddle valve plays an important part in metering oil flow.
    I've seen posts about old timers pulling the chevy lifters apart and modifying the internals themselves to improve oil supply at the lower oil pressures that harleys operate at, before harley specific lifters were readily available.
    Doesn't matter to me what kind of lifters you put in your bike, but there are others reading this thread, and guys doing a search in the future, who might think it is a good idea.
    And when I say harley lifters I do not mean oem, I would never put them in my bike.

    Quoting John.R on 24 Jan 2022 12:48 AM

    Yeah if you've pulled em down yourself and compared differences, I'll take your word. Just becareful not to fall for apple vs oranges comparisons.


    "Harley lifters" is a VERY broad term.


    I have pulled mine down and put limiters in, and done a bit of research.
    I have not pulled chevy lifters apart.

  • leachy
    leachy
    2 years ago
    It seems to make sense in what he is saying to me in the clip. Of course they are going to recommend S & S, but at the same time would you go to all that trouble and not fit something that says it specifically designed for a Harley V-Twin engine. I don't have experience here as I haven't built engines bike engines, but if they were better for a Harley engine wouldn't they advertise that on the chevy lifter packaging to pick up extra customers?? Im sure they work for a certain amount of time and maybe only longevity of the engine is reduced.

    Interesting
    Leachy
  • John.R
    John.R
    2 years ago
    Just checked out the Fueling vid re: lifters, same talking points... general statements about the difference in application, zero mention of the difference in lifters. Interesting. 
  • leachy
    leachy
    2 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 24 Jan 2022 01:59 AM

    Just checked out the Fueling vid re: lifters, same talking points... general statements about the difference in application, zero mention of the difference in lifters. Interesting. 

    Hey John,

    Just wondering why you are using those lifters, not criticizing or anything just wondering. I used SE lifters only to keep the HD warranty.

    Regards
    Leachy 
  • John.R
    John.R
    2 years ago
    Personally, Im using these particular lifters and PNs for a couple of reasons. 1. I have it good authority they're commonly used on BIG hp builds, domestically (much higher than what I'm going with, with a mild 95in). 2. Price, you're talking $60 compared to 400? for S&S? Lifters are a consumable as far as I've read and Im concerned, and ive heard/read stories from all. 

    If I was iffy or found contradicting info online and from experienced builders, I'd just run the new factory ones, or buy good ones. But the only dissenting info I've seen are from people selling 'upgraded' lifters that have specified zero technical differences. So im not fussed.

    Im happy for people to spend their money on whatever, but I have views on certain items. Dont get me started on Hoglights $600 LED compared to an $60 eBay LED headlight...
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