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2017 Forty Eight | Vance & Hines Short Shot Staggered

  • RodFortyEight
    RodFortyEight
    14 days ago
    Morning all,

    My Forty Eight (from QLD) has come with the V&H Short Shots and the standard 'competition' baffles. Pretty loud and I like them but  in the interest of flying a little bit more under the radar I'm after some feedback from the brains trust here.

    A couple of questions:
    - Has anyone had much experience with the Police and/or EPA pinging you for the Vance & Hines Short Shot Staggered pipes?
    - Have any of you removed the Vance & Hines nameplates so overzealous Police can't identify the pipes in the first instance?
    - Quiet baffles are an option....Any feedback on user experience?

    Thanks in advance. Rod
  • OlChesnut
    OlChesnut
    14 days ago
    I don't think the brand of pipes would make any difference to the Police.  So removing the name plate wouldn't make any difference.  It's the noise they would be concerned about.  I recall discussions on other forums about the V&H quiet baffles, I seem to remember people saying they lower the noise slightly, but not that much.  That's also been my experience with installing quiet baffles on other  mufflers.
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    14 days ago
    Short Shots are just plain loud and scream to be pinged by the police (its one thing I agree with too, not that I'm a conservative old fart, but the 'wannabes' that use them have buggered it for the rest).  Even Screaming Beagle pipes can be loud, but not so much that the cops will target you.

    No pipes other than factory stock ones will save you if its a roadside noise test though with the EPA.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    14 days ago
    Ditch them and just about any other exhaust will outperform the shit shots for street riding 
  • Postie
    Postie
    14 days ago
    If you don't have the standard pipes start looking for some.
    You will get better performance from a std exhaust and there are plenty of after market mufflers with better flow and not to noisy. I use cobra mufflers. If you have any problems at least you have the std parts. The 48 has 2 types of std exhaust. 1 to suit no abs models 2010 to 2014. 1 for abs models 2015 to 2021. The ABS bit is the important bit as I list the years from memory.....
    I'm soon to fit a 2 into 1 freedom performance exhaust am just waiting on my quiet baffle now. The mag type wheel has ABS
  • RodFortyEight
    RodFortyEight
    10 days ago
    Thanks Postie...Good info. I'm not too concerned about performance as the bike has plenty of balls for how/where I ride it and it's tuned properly. Got my hands on some stock pipes too just in case!

    Was interested to get some objective feedback on people's real world experiences rather than a subjective opinions, so, thanks to you blokes who have provided that ;)

    I do like the Cobra Speedster Shorts RPT exhaust. Tidy looking and match the lines of the bike - the cross over would make a bit of a difference too. I might put these on the wish-list for future.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    10 days ago
    I’ll provide some less subjective and more factual feedback based on experience using v&h big radius exhaust, which is slightly longer and slightly less obscene than the short shots

    - Has anyone had much experience with the Police and/or EPA pinging you for the Vance & Hines Short Shot Staggered pipes? 
    Yes. And the exhaust failed just idling so they didn’t need to even set it up for the adr test at a certain rpm 


    - Have any of you removed the Vance & Hines nameplates so overzealous Police can't identify the pipes in the first instance?
    Most cops aren’t that stupid. You hear these exhausts before you see them. The fact is cops look for oem stamping on the exhaust if they wanna play hard ball 

    - Quiet baffles are an option....Any feedback on user experience?
    I played around a lot trying to get Vance and Hines big radius pipes to be a bit quieter although baffle options are easier with a straight as opposed to curve pipe. I tried custom options with welding, big city thunder baffles in the USA which were recommended. Combinations of welding pieces together with the v&h baffles and big city thunder baffles. It takes a bit of the harsh edge off at best (as do v&h “quiet” baffles) but they don’t get the noise to the less obscene level. The added back pressure increasing the baffling on an otherwise straight thru and short exhaust gives you increased throttle response down low but it kills hp noticeably up high in the rpm. That feedback is based on riding the bike and dyno tuning. 

    Short shots and exhausts like them inc the big radius look good, sound good if you like that sound, but attract the wrong kind of attention and perform like shit. 
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    10 days ago
    Well said FB.
    Obnoxiously loud pipes destroy your hearing, fatigue you quickly on long trips, attract police attention, reduce performance & upset the neighbours. More generally, they make you look uncool (regardless that you yourself think the total opposite)!
    These show-pony pipes are for most, a phase we all go through (something we grow out of) - before spending our money on a performance exhaust system. 

  • RodFortyEight
    RodFortyEight
    9 days ago
    Thanks Fatbat! Good feedback...

    I was going to play around with the fabrication of the baffles as well but it sounds like that's a well worn path and seemingly futile. What type/brand of pipes did you settle on?

    Agree that the Short Shots attract the attention - That's not really my jam so I'm keen to figure out what pipes will strike a good balance. Like WideGlider mentioned I'd appreciate some suggestions for 'performance exhausts' that aren't going to break the bank.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    9 days ago
    I’ve had a few bikes, a few harleys, modified to various stages with cams, bigger bore cylinders, higher compression etc which impacts exhaust choice all the more. Everyone has their favourite pipes and thinks theirs is the best. It’s hard to have everything, the right performance, sound and look all of which is subjective to people and the bike, its mods etc 

    If I was you I’d fit the stock header pipes and fit s&s or khromewerks tapered turbo mufflers. Probably the best performing and sounding exhaust option out there for many bikes and it’ll look stock which some like and others don’t. I think the traditional staggered exhaust set up looks great. 

    I’ll post a pic of the mufflers I’m talking about 
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    9 days ago
    have kromeworks slip ons on my dyna [ no idea of engine internals/mods] and it goes well for me.looks stock which i like,sounds nice too [ in my opinion...lol]
  • potluk
    potluk
    8 days ago
    Picked up a defect on my street bob earlier this year with big radius pipes on. lucky i had a standard lowrider exhaust that i put on to get the defect off. the inspection cost $200. Here in adelaide if you put the pipes back on that you were defected for its an on the spot fine i think the cop said $450 then another $200 to get the defect off again. They also told me my bars were too high even though they are standard bars for the street bob. I had them pushed forward so it wasnt so cramped with a passenger. Bars have to measure 280mm from the top of the seat to the bottom of the grips so i just had to rotate them back until i got that measurement. I think this is a pretty dumb safety rule because technically you could have higher bars and just rotate them back until they were 280mm. You may have to sit on the passenger seat to ride your bike though. I love the sound of harleys with loud pipes but if you have modified your bike and go through an inspection you may find it very costly to put everything back to standard to get the defect off. In south australia we dont have to have an inspection every year to register our vehicles so to a certain extent you can get away with some mods but in other states i am surprised when i look at bikes for sale how they are getting them registered.  
  • WideglidingNZ
    WideglidingNZ
    8 days ago
    Quoting Wideglider on 26 Nov 2021 09:21 AM

    Well said FB.

    Obnoxiously loud pipes destroy your hearing, fatigue you quickly on long trips, attract police attention, reduce performance & upset the neighbours. More generally, they make you look uncool (regardless that you yourself think the total opposite)!
    These show-pony pipes are for most, a phase we all go through (something we grow out of) - before spending our money on a performance exhaust system. 

    Loud & proud buy a jappa if you want to be quiet lol 
  • FBUser214
    FBUser214
    7 days ago
    or a bmw