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  • Retroman
    Retroman
    3 years ago
    The  2008 CVO Springer lives with the "donor" 2010 Rocker C 96" !
    A bit of a mission but (almost) done now. Looks like a bought one despite the gearbox and inner primary being CVO grey not black
    The original 110 , as suspected was grenaded like an IED !
    Diagnosed by a reputable indy mechanic 100% an "uneconomic repair"
    Actually he said "lotsa $ !"
    Dens CVO Springer with the new 96_1.jpg
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    3 years ago
    What caused the engine failure?
  • Retroman
    Retroman
    3 years ago
    Collapsed lifter , then ridden 100 K's home from the bush. we kinda knew that already a while back , or strongly suspected so.

    That'll do it every time. Swarf all thru' the motor , lifters/oil pump/rockers etc etc. One lifter is seized in FFsake !

    We woulda preferred a 103 to start but this 96 was brand spankers sat in the shed for 11 years.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    3 years ago
    Bummer….were they the original oem lifters?
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    3 years ago
    Quoting Retroman on 06 Oct 2021 09:39 AM

    Collapsed lifter , then ridden 100 K's home from the bush. we kinda knew that already a while back , or strongly suspected so.


    That'll do it every time. Swarf all thru' the motor , lifters/oil pump/rockers etc etc. One lifter is seized in FFsake !

    We woulda preferred a 103 to start but this 96 was brand spankers sat in the shed for 11 years.

    Bad luck there (dare I say mixed in with a bit of bad management).
    Your avatar slogan sums it up unfortunately.
    Best of luck with your new engine build.

  • John.R
    John.R
    3 years ago
    How many KMs did you get out of the lifters on the 110? I've got the same motor and am keeping an eye on it, have read about the insane valve pressures just munching lifters.
  • Retroman
    Retroman
    3 years ago
    Bike had @60,000 K's. Original from new OEM lifters we are assuming.

    This "new" 96 will be running tomorrow , and I will reflash the ECM to a stage 1 96cube with no ACR's.

    Using the same BUB jug huggers true duals exhausts that were on it in the USA and the stock CVO Heavy breather , so the bike will "look the same"

    In the end we did not do any mods to the stock 96 , so I reckon he's going to be underwhelmed by the mumbo on tap.

    Maybe not. Time will tell but it should still be a nice cruiser. As a 110 these CVO Springers are quite grunty out the box.
  • FBUser214
    FBUser214
    3 years ago
    I would be interested to know which lifters it had in it.
    The B lifters were used from about 2000 through to 2010 and they had a pretty good reputation.
    The B lifters, made in the US, were replaced by the C lifters made in Mexico in 2011 and 2012. There were many failures early and the manufacturing process was tightened up a bit, but still quite a few failures.
    All oem lifters available since the B lifters are junk and should be replaced, unless you are feeling lucky.
    The 110 motors do have high spring pressures and there are a lot of failures.
    HD are more about saving costs these days and not about quality.
    oem parts are required to get through the warranty and that is it. Sometimes they don't.
    The plastic throttlebodies on the M8's are a joke.
  • Retroman
    Retroman
    3 years ago
    Had the "patient" running today , quite sweet at idle after a few expected starting gremlins. It was not ridden.

    Plan is to change the oil and filter again in 100 K's

    It's now a stage 1 tuned 96 cube , for "air cleaner and race exhaust". that part went smoothly thankfully.

    Sorry I can't answer the what lifters question specifically , just that they were the originals from 2008.
  • Retroman
    Retroman
    3 years ago
    10 days on and the 96" /110 has now run over 500 K's including a good 200Km run out into the wheatbelt up to 110Km/H.

    I changed the engine oil and filter at 100 K's just in case any swarf from the grenaded 110 remained in the pipes or oil tank.

    They were flushed thru during the engine swap but you never know !   "Oil is cheap , engines ain't"...

    It will be done again in 2,000 K's under an abundance of caution. Then every 5K. Penrite Synthetic the oil of availability.

    The owner has noticed a torque loss ( expected of course !) , but the bike runs strong and smooth.

    Longer term the 110 may well be rebuilt , if the parts can be bought over time and gathered up at the right price.

    With the recent uplift in our weather and of course no "Lockdown" in WA he's glad to be out and about on it !
  • SlimJim80
    SlimJim80
    3 years ago
    Hey retroman, in your search for a good used motor did you come across any TC88 softail motors? I'm looking for a good clean one for my '02 Fatboy. 
    Thanks, Adam
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    3 years ago
    Adam, I read about what happened on the tech talk forum. Really sorry mate as I know how much time, effort and money you put into that engine. Bit of bad luck can stuff things up entirely. Glad you’re looking at other engines as it will be more economical for you in time and money. Good luck. You’re due for some 


    16,000 kms on this engine on eBay 
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  • SlimJim80
    SlimJim80
    2 years ago
    Thanks fatbat,  yes I'm due some good luck 😁

    It's going to cost me just under $1000 to pull out and split the crankcase, replace all the bearings and seals and put a replacement crankshaft in (that I already have) and get it squared away and bolted back together. With me doing a lot of the labor, except the complex stuff, it's still cheaper than  buying another engine that I don't know the internal state of. 

    Id rather rebuild mine properly and have peace of mind if you know what I mean. 

    Cheers
  • Retroman
    Retroman
    2 years ago
    We looked at a rebuild on the original 110. Not an economic possibility if under the pump time wise.

    That "new" 96er taken out of a Rocker C in 2010 for a 120R transplant was a good find for us ( took a while tho')
    It had been dry stored in the 120R delivery crate/cradle since 2010

    We "may" rebuild the 110 in time , picking up the parts over a coupla years. Got 255 cams/cam bearings/pushrods for $150 done 3,000 k's in a late 110 Fatboy S. Taken out for a factory stage 4.

    That's the kinda bits we will pick up over time.
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