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Have you had the jab

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  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    3 years ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 12:11 AMedited: 19 Aug 2021 12:18 AM

    You don't seriously believe that we have a choice do you? Not in Australia we won't if you want any sort of a life outside of your home.

    Quoting paulybronco on 19 Aug 2021 12:18 AM

    Its still the choice YOU can make Jay Dee. No one is forcing you to do it. I personally have had both jabs, your a adult make your own decision. Is it the fact that you feel forced to have it your concern or is it something else stopping you?

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 01:04 AMedited: 19 Aug 2021 01:21 AM

    If I eventually didn't want to have any sort of life (not that I have much of one now) and I'll say income as well, I know I could make the choice not to.

    My question remains unanswered.....do you not want to get it because your feeling pressured or is there a different reason?
  • bloodog
    bloodog
    3 years ago
    Quoting bloodog on 19 Aug 2021 01:26 AM

    I am starting to think: 

    The government my make the vaz compulsory so to help people with strong belief, pig headedness, religion, or peer pressure, can say I had the jab because I had to, but they can still keep they're attitude / belief.

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 01:55 AM

    It's interesting to observe how your outlook has now changed since the first post in this thread.

    I changed my mind because, I live with 2 x  84 years olds but now I am this far down the track I would take the jab if It was just me and the hand break. Just don't won't to be in a community of the jabbed and not be.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    3 years ago
    I think people are always entitled to change their mind and more so when circumstances change. 

    Admittedly I was content to hold off vaccinating and wanted to see any potential side effects coming about in the longer term not seen previously in the smaller sample and short term human trials. In my mind, these vaccinations were developed so quickly and the Pfizer vaccine is a whole new design of vaccine. For me the initial covid strains didn’t pose a significant risk to my health or that of my immediate family. It seemed to only seriously impact the elderly and persons with existing health issues. I thought the risk of unknown potential side effects of the vaccines might have been a greater risk to me than COVID. 

    I read lots and watch the news, across all political spectrums. Having determined the delta strain (then overseas only and not in Australia) was highly transmissible and causing serious health problems for young and heathy persons free of other health issues, I surmised it was only a matter of time before it got here. I decided that when it came to Australia or was detected close by in our region, the risks posed by the delta strain were greater than the concerns I had for vaccine side effects. So I got on board for vaccinating at just the right time and have zero regrets. 

    I can’t see government mandated vaccination occurring in Australia. It’d be a major policy shift from anything we’ve ever experienced and more of a communist approach. If any government attempted it, it might be political suicide no matter how well intended, at least for now. I think we will see restrictions growing for those that don’t want to vaccinate. When it impacts kids and education, that’ll become very interesting given child care centres already have vaccination requirements although child care centres aren’t operated by government. It will be interesting to see how things play out for government operated schools, institutions and employers. Private enterprise like Qantas has already drawn a line and I think it’s reasonable given their industry and it’s circumstances. 

    Minds will change when the unvaccinated experience or see first-hand a loved one seriously impacted by the virus. If that doesn’t sway people, we might just see survival of the fittest/smartest. And if/when the overwhelming majority come to realise that, that would be the time governments would consider mandatory vaccination although that may be far away or never occur at all. 

    I posted a link to a story further up in this topic about a vaccine in development in Adelaide. In animal trials the vaccine is stopping symptoms AND transmission which none of the existing vaccines are able to do. They need more funding to go to human trials. I’m surprised nobody commented about this as it has the potential to be a game changer. Whilst we barely make anything anymore in Australia, we still fight well above our weight in terms of r&d, science and innovation. 
  • Pedro123
    Pedro123
    3 years ago
    Due for 1st AZ next week. Turned 60 the week they changed the age, what a screwup.
    Live out on the Liverpool Plains NSW, no Pfizer out here anyway.
    I see it like this- when they open up the boarders, which will only be for the sake of the economy, the virus will get in. Then all the non-vaxinated will either panic, change their mind or fall off of the pearch.
    If there is a problem in 10 years time with the vax, those who invented it should be clever enough to come up with a solution.
  • steelo
    steelo
    3 years ago
    Got me beaten as to why they need funding for development and trials fb. Pfizer made 46billion alone off their vaccine. 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    3 years ago
    Quoting steelo on 19 Aug 2021 04:26 AM

    Got me beaten as to why they need funding for development and trials fb. Pfizer made 46billion alone off their vaccine. 

    Rule number one in corporate business.......never use your own money.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    3 years ago
    Pre covid, go to travel agent, book holiday in foreign lands, obtain necessary vaccinations prior to travel or no go, I think it's the shock of the suddenness, the feeling of no control over it that has flipped a lot of people out, it's here now, it's not going away anytime soon, vaccinations appear to be our best chance of a life something close to pre covid that we have, resistance is futile lmao.
  • Hound_Dog
    Hound_Dog
    3 years ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 18 Aug 2021 03:27 AMedited: 18 Aug 2021 01:30 PM

    Unsurprisingly you completely missed the context of my post.


    Late edit: Sorry, actually you didn't, I'm the one who didn't register your free-dumb shot at me.

    Screw those ANZACS and early generations who fought for our freedom and way of life. Who cares what they went through to make life better for themselves and everyone who came after them, let's just hand it all back.

    Quoting Hound_Dog on 18 Aug 2021 11:47 PM

    You do realise that before vaccines the vast majority of soldiers died from disease right? The Tetanus vaccine for example was introduced to the armed forces in Australia in 1917 to stop soldiers from dying from things as insignificant as a splinter.

    The ANZAC freedoms argument is nonsense.


    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 12:18 AM

    The ANZAC freedoms argument is nonsense.

    So next ANZAC day when the media, politicians and everyone else are constantly reminding us about how they sacrificed so much for us and how we owe them for the freedom we have today. I won't take any notice then because apparently it's not true?

    What you may wish to consider mate is that the ANZAC's temporarily sacrificed their freedoms to fight a greater enemy to the wider populace. Reflect on that for a moment. If some people don't wish to be vaccinated then they should, and rightfully so, be prepared to accept the consequences of their choice.
  • Jersey
    Jersey
    3 years ago
    My brother died from this shit back home last year.  Might be a bit biased.
      
    Both Wife and I had 2nd Pfizer a month ago as she is a Health Care Worker.  I'm 60 her 55.  2 kids 20 & 18 have had 1st AZ.  Living right in the middle of this shit in Bankstown area and have been alerted by NSW Health 3 times by text that I was a casual contact and needed to get tested and self isolate until result comes back negative.  In Woolies twice and Aldi once.  Fucken glad we are vaccinated and still worried about kids although they are really not going anywhere.  I work in Manufacturing on a site with 250 people in Bankstown as well with 80% of our workforce in the Hot Spot LGA's.  Amazing no positive cases yet.  Still worried about unknowingly bringing it home.  This Delta variant is killing more younger people now.

    If sitting on the fence about getting vaccinated, think about the two married Anti Vaxxers that both died within 2 weeks of eachother and left 4 kids under 18 orphans.  Imagine living with yourself if you were un-vaccinated by choice and were a family member that gave them Covid.  Once you get it the Shot won't help.  So many stories coming out of other countries people on their death beds wishing they had gotten it.  So sad for something so easy.  I respect everyone's right to choose but this Cunt of a thing is deadly.  Please Get the Shot; if not for you, for others around you.

    Haven't read thru all the posts as so many of them.  Apologies if I am just repeating others sentiment.  I just wanted to voice my opinion.
    Jersey  
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    3 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 19 Aug 2021 12:18 AM

    Its still the choice YOU can make Jay Dee. No one is forcing you to do it. I personally have had both jabs, your a adult make your own decision. Is it the fact that you feel forced to have it your concern or is it something else stopping you?

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 01:04 AMedited: 19 Aug 2021 01:21 AM

    If I eventually didn't want to have any sort of life (not that I have much of one now) and I'll say income as well, I know I could make the choice not to.

    Quoting paulybronco on 19 Aug 2021 02:04 AM

    My question remains unanswered.....do you not want to get it because your feeling pressured or is there a different reason?

    I’ve wanted to answer your question Paul and have drafted up a couple of very lengthy replies and bailed out. This one’s a little more condensed.

    The fact is I really don't want to get it just yet for the reasons in paragraph two of fatbat's excellent post. They’re new and given emergency approval, not long term tested and frankly I'm not that keen to be a human lab rat. Good luck to you if you are, but I’m not. Plus, I don't fully trust/buy into the government and media's panic/scare campaign. Neither are organisations known for their common sense, honesty and integrity and this pandemic hasn’t convinced me otherwise.

    I'm going to end up having to get it much sooner than I'd like though due to outside forces. Yes, technically I might have a choice, it's not and probably won't be mandated compulsory. But it will by default become compulsory if I ever want to leave my yard, still have my job and some freedom (whatever that means in the future) with the no doubt soon to be forced upon us vaccine passport, it's only a matter of time and won't be far away.

    I also have an elderly mother (who doesn't want it yet if at all) that I have to consider, although she's probably less risk of catching it and/or dying from it than I would be. Fortunately though, we both live in an area where it hasn't really found it's way to yet but people move in all circles, it's possible any time.

    I've had regular bee and wasp venom allergy vaccinations/injections for years now so I'm no anti-vaxxer by any stretch, just a very apprehensive one in this instance.

  • bloodog
    bloodog
    3 years ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 01:04 AMedited: 19 Aug 2021 01:21 AM

    If I eventually didn't want to have any sort of life (not that I have much of one now) and I'll say income as well, I know I could make the choice not to.

    Quoting paulybronco on 19 Aug 2021 02:04 AM

    My question remains unanswered.....do you not want to get it because your feeling pressured or is there a different reason?

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 20 Aug 2021 10:22 AMedited: 20 Aug 2021 10:34 AM

    I’ve wanted to answer your question Paul and have drafted up a couple of very lengthy replies and bailed out. This one’s a little more condensed.


    The fact is I really don't want to get it just yet for the reasons in paragraph two of fatbat's excellent post. They’re new and given emergency approval, not long term tested and frankly I'm not that keen to be a human lab rat. Good luck to you if you are, but I’m not. Plus, I don't fully trust/buy into the government and media's panic/scare campaign. Neither are organisations known for their common sense, honesty and integrity and this pandemic hasn’t convinced me otherwise.

    I'm going to end up having to get it much sooner than I'd like though due to outside forces. Yes, technically I might have a choice, it's not and probably won't be mandated compulsory. But it will by default become compulsory if I ever want to leave my yard, still have my job and some freedom (whatever that means in the future) with the no doubt soon to be forced upon us vaccine passport, it's only a matter of time and won't be far away.

    I also have an elderly mother (who doesn't want it yet if at all) that I have to consider, although she's probably less risk of catching it and/or dying from it than I would be. Fortunately though, we both live in an area where it hasn't really found it's way to yet but people move in all circles, it's possible any time.

    I've had regular bee and wasp venom allergy vaccinations/injections for years now so I'm no anti-vaxxer by any stretch, just a very apprehensive one in this instance.

    I recon that sums up a lot of people JD
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    3 years ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 01:04 AMedited: 19 Aug 2021 01:21 AM

    If I eventually didn't want to have any sort of life (not that I have much of one now) and I'll say income as well, I know I could make the choice not to.

    Quoting paulybronco on 19 Aug 2021 02:04 AM

    My question remains unanswered.....do you not want to get it because your feeling pressured or is there a different reason?

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 20 Aug 2021 10:22 AMedited: 20 Aug 2021 10:34 AM

    I’ve wanted to answer your question Paul and have drafted up a couple of very lengthy replies and bailed out. This one’s a little more condensed.


    The fact is I really don't want to get it just yet for the reasons in paragraph two of fatbat's excellent post. They’re new and given emergency approval, not long term tested and frankly I'm not that keen to be a human lab rat. Good luck to you if you are, but I’m not. Plus, I don't fully trust/buy into the government and media's panic/scare campaign. Neither are organisations known for their common sense, honesty and integrity and this pandemic hasn’t convinced me otherwise.

    I'm going to end up having to get it much sooner than I'd like though due to outside forces. Yes, technically I might have a choice, it's not and probably won't be mandated compulsory. But it will by default become compulsory if I ever want to leave my yard, still have my job and some freedom (whatever that means in the future) with the no doubt soon to be forced upon us vaccine passport, it's only a matter of time and won't be far away.

    I also have an elderly mother (who doesn't want it yet if at all) that I have to consider, although she's probably less risk of catching it and/or dying from it than I would be. Fortunately though, we both live in an area where it hasn't really found it's way to yet but people move in all circles, it's possible any time.

    I've had regular bee and wasp venom allergy vaccinations/injections for years now so I'm no anti-vaxxer by any stretch, just a very apprehensive one in this instance.

    Jay Dee  firstly thank you for your honesty. I am just turned 60 and other than drink to much a pretty fit and strong old bugger but certainly beginning to feel the ravages of time and bikes etc on the body and mind/memory. I feel that my life expectancy is somewhere in my 80"s so around 20+ yrs so if by having the jab will have me dead by then as the result of a cancer or generic complication of having said jab then so be it. I dont think i would last that long if i infected a grandchild, god forbid, or someone close who died as a result. My mother in law is 97yrs old and is fully vaxed now for 6 mths and is brighter than you and i together and if the vax was going to smash someone i would think its an elderly person....



  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    3 years ago
    Just worth mentioning as well among all the health directives, that in a previous post i made mention of Accor mandating the jab for staff looking after these football hubs, the NRL and QLD government require staff to have it yet the players themselves dont have to have it.  Funny
  • Hound_Dog
    Hound_Dog
    3 years ago
    Guys, given as you know that I live in a pretty bad place in terms of the virus 23.6K cases yesterday alone and hit the 1.5m total cases in just over a year, it's a bit of an insight for the future perhaps in terms of how things may pan out for you. Despite our heavy case load restaurants have just been allowed to reopen...caveat, for those 2x vaxed (over 2 weeks since 2nd jab) 2 people at a table max. We have a digital certificate that is part of what I think is called there a QR Tracker??? Anyway, there are a growing range of other businesses that require this proof to enter. It is, like it or not, the future. FYI, the reason for the re-openings is the actual severity of cases is dropping quite markedly. As the vax % rate increases the number of people requiring serious medical intervention is growing less and less. The OVERWHELMING number of those admitted to hospital have zero history of vaccination, in the range of 98.2%.
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    3 years ago
    Quoting Hound_Dog on 20 Aug 2021 10:53 PM

    Guys, given as you know that I live in a pretty bad place in terms of the virus 23.6K cases yesterday alone and hit the 1.5m total cases in just over a year, it's a bit of an insight for the future perhaps in terms of how things may pan out for you. Despite our heavy case load restaurants have just been allowed to reopen...caveat, for those 2x vaxed (over 2 weeks since 2nd jab) 2 people at a table max. We have a digital certificate that is part of what I think is called there a QR Tracker??? Anyway, there are a growing range of other businesses that require this proof to enter. It is, like it or not, the future. FYI, the reason for the re-openings is the actual severity of cases is dropping quite markedly. As the vax % rate increases the number of people requiring serious medical intervention is growing less and less. The OVERWHELMING number of those admitted to hospital have zero history of vaccination, in the range of 98.2%.

    HD - I thank you very much for your info you bring first-hand from a country that has had extreme suffering from the virus.
    I take it onboard, I get it, most forum members get and most of the general community get it - and we are willing to learn from another country's misfortune. 
    However, as strange as it seems, there is a minority who receive their 'news' from Facebook-feeds (whatever the fuck that is) & come to their dim-witted conclusion that their 'freedoms or rights' are being violated by being urged to vaccinate in our society. 
    If they want to continue to benefit from living in this lucky country's society they should play their part or just go and live in a cave and fend for themselves.
    Watch this space, (as has happened in other countries) as the anti-vaxers get real sick & then come crawling to a hospital and beg for a vaccine, any vaccine - only to be told by the over-worked nurses "sorry, it's too late".      
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    3 years ago
    Quoting Jay-Dee on 19 Aug 2021 01:04 AMedited: 19 Aug 2021 01:21 AM

    If I eventually didn't want to have any sort of life (not that I have much of one now) and I'll say income as well, I know I could make the choice not to.

    Quoting paulybronco on 19 Aug 2021 02:04 AM

    My question remains unanswered.....do you not want to get it because your feeling pressured or is there a different reason?

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 20 Aug 2021 10:22 AMedited: 20 Aug 2021 10:34 AM

    I’ve wanted to answer your question Paul and have drafted up a couple of very lengthy replies and bailed out. This one’s a little more condensed.


    The fact is I really don't want to get it just yet for the reasons in paragraph two of fatbat's excellent post. They’re new and given emergency approval, not long term tested and frankly I'm not that keen to be a human lab rat. Good luck to you if you are, but I’m not. Plus, I don't fully trust/buy into the government and media's panic/scare campaign. Neither are organisations known for their common sense, honesty and integrity and this pandemic hasn’t convinced me otherwise.

    I'm going to end up having to get it much sooner than I'd like though due to outside forces. Yes, technically I might have a choice, it's not and probably won't be mandated compulsory. But it will by default become compulsory if I ever want to leave my yard, still have my job and some freedom (whatever that means in the future) with the no doubt soon to be forced upon us vaccine passport, it's only a matter of time and won't be far away.

    I also have an elderly mother (who doesn't want it yet if at all) that I have to consider, although she's probably less risk of catching it and/or dying from it than I would be. Fortunately though, we both live in an area where it hasn't really found it's way to yet but people move in all circles, it's possible any time.

    I've had regular bee and wasp venom allergy vaccinations/injections for years now so I'm no anti-vaxxer by any stretch, just a very apprehensive one in this instance.

    I don't fully trust/buy into the government and media's panic/scare campaign.

    Scare campaign!  Oh dear.
    You can have your own opinions - but you can't have your own facts. 
    Science is telling us this is a pandemic. You really don't know how lucky you are living in a wealthy developed country. You perhaps have not read of past pandemics in history? In Australia we have the federal government and every single state & territory government pouring millions of dollars to keep you and your family safe & try to save your life, and you are paranoid about some imagined catastrophic long-term side-effect?
    You can lead a horse to water...    


  • T4
    T4
    3 years ago
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    3 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 19 Aug 2021 02:04 AM

    My question remains unanswered.....do you not want to get it because your feeling pressured or is there a different reason?

    Quoting Jay-Dee on 20 Aug 2021 10:22 AMedited: 20 Aug 2021 10:34 AM

    I’ve wanted to answer your question Paul and have drafted up a couple of very lengthy replies and bailed out. This one’s a little more condensed.


    The fact is I really don't want to get it just yet for the reasons in paragraph two of fatbat's excellent post. They’re new and given emergency approval, not long term tested and frankly I'm not that keen to be a human lab rat. Good luck to you if you are, but I’m not. Plus, I don't fully trust/buy into the government and media's panic/scare campaign. Neither are organisations known for their common sense, honesty and integrity and this pandemic hasn’t convinced me otherwise.

    I'm going to end up having to get it much sooner than I'd like though due to outside forces. Yes, technically I might have a choice, it's not and probably won't be mandated compulsory. But it will by default become compulsory if I ever want to leave my yard, still have my job and some freedom (whatever that means in the future) with the no doubt soon to be forced upon us vaccine passport, it's only a matter of time and won't be far away.

    I also have an elderly mother (who doesn't want it yet if at all) that I have to consider, although she's probably less risk of catching it and/or dying from it than I would be. Fortunately though, we both live in an area where it hasn't really found it's way to yet but people move in all circles, it's possible any time.

    I've had regular bee and wasp venom allergy vaccinations/injections for years now so I'm no anti-vaxxer by any stretch, just a very apprehensive one in this instance.

    Quoting Wideglider on 21 Aug 2021 11:09 AMedited: 21 Aug 2021 11:10 AM

    I don't fully trust/buy into the government and media's panic/scare campaign.


    Scare campaign!  Oh dear.
    You can have your own opinions - but you can't have your own facts. 
    Science is telling us this is a pandemic. You really don't know how lucky you are living in a wealthy developed country. You perhaps have not read of past pandemics in history? In Australia we have the federal government and every single state & territory government pouring millions of dollars to keep you and your family safe & try to save your life, and you are paranoid about some imagined catastrophic long-term side-effect?
    You can lead a horse to water...    


    It's always interesting reading comments and opinions from different people in different areas during this and seeing just how many of them fully accept everything they're told and/or who questions it, I appreciate your thoughts, thank you.

    I also realise how incredibly lucky we are in Australia, have never denied that this is a pandemic and do have some very small knowledge of previous ones. I'm also aware of statistics of other countries, they're not hard to find.


    Check the statistics in Australia in this link for 2019 with comparison to a couple of other years for influenza and heart disease deaths.


    Please tell me when we had a press conference every single day in almost every state advising the number of deaths from them, currently both more than Covid-19. Yes, I know neither are contagious like Covid-19 and it would be far worse than it is if left to run free but they are still significant numbers.

    If updating Covid-19 cases and deaths, particular younger ones no matter how few every single day without always advising the exact cause and constantly pushing how we won't have freedom until we're vaccinated isn't trying to scare us into doing it, then I'm not sure what is.

    Given that it's been less than a year since the first vaccine was developed, a very new type. They've been tested for a short time, only received emergency approvals and have caused problems and deaths, albeit a very small number in comparison. How could you or anyone possibly know what the long term side effects might be? Therefore by your logic someone is "paranoid" because they might have some concerns.

    Was the comment in your previous post regarding Facebook feeds and "dim-witted conclusions" about freedoms and rights either partly or wholly for my benefit as well? In case it was, for the record I don't have Facebook and look at very few pages on it. They're largely all pages for businesses and a historic one for my home town, I don't get my news and information from it, EVER. My "dim-witted" view on freedom comes from the fact that this is supposedly a free country, not a communist one. There's a very big difference between being "urged" to get vaccinated and forced/mandated to.

    Motorcycles are inherently dangerous, most of us who ride them know that and accept the risks. The government decides they're too dangerous, they kill too many people and mandates that we can no longer ride or own them. Let's see if you're concerned about your "freedoms and rights" then because you know the risks and accept them, or if you're happy to just cop it sweet because the government knows best and spends a lot of money (borrowed, that us tax payers have to repay at some point don't forget) to support and keep people alive.
  • Hound_Dog
    Hound_Dog
    3 years ago
    Quoting Hound_Dog on 20 Aug 2021 10:53 PM

    Guys, given as you know that I live in a pretty bad place in terms of the virus 23.6K cases yesterday alone and hit the 1.5m total cases in just over a year, it's a bit of an insight for the future perhaps in terms of how things may pan out for you. Despite our heavy case load restaurants have just been allowed to reopen...caveat, for those 2x vaxed (over 2 weeks since 2nd jab) 2 people at a table max. We have a digital certificate that is part of what I think is called there a QR Tracker??? Anyway, there are a growing range of other businesses that require this proof to enter. It is, like it or not, the future. FYI, the reason for the re-openings is the actual severity of cases is dropping quite markedly. As the vax % rate increases the number of people requiring serious medical intervention is growing less and less. The OVERWHELMING number of those admitted to hospital have zero history of vaccination, in the range of 98.2%.

    Quoting Wideglider on 21 Aug 2021 10:41 AM

    HD - I thank you very much for your info you bring first-hand from a country that has had extreme suffering from the virus.

    I take it onboard, I get it, most forum members get and most of the general community get it - and we are willing to learn from another country's misfortune. 
    However, as strange as it seems, there is a minority who receive their 'news' from Facebook-feeds (whatever the fuck that is) & come to their dim-witted conclusion that their 'freedoms or rights' are being violated by being urged to vaccinate in our society. 
    If they want to continue to benefit from living in this lucky country's society they should play their part or just go and live in a cave and fend for themselves.
    Watch this space, (as has happened in other countries) as the anti-vaxers get real sick & then come crawling to a hospital and beg for a vaccine, any vaccine - only to be told by the over-worked nurses "sorry, it's too late".      

    Mate I will just repeat the words of a ICU Nurse that was interviewed here recently

    "The last words of many patients are to beg for the vaccine. I just hold their hands and tell them, sorry, it is too late"

    I have always said if it looks like shit, smells like shit do you need to taste it to be sure? Some people will always resist, some of them are often very intelligent. The flood of info available and the ease of which any crackpot conspiracy theorist can disseminate anything can easily cloud peoples judgements. It is what it is. I personally support measures against those who refuse to be vaxed for the greater common good of both the people and the economy. Some may disagree, that is their right. Bear the consequences of your own actions.

    Lastly, Coronaviruses have been studied for over 50 years. Genomic sequencing and advances in medical science, the pooling of global resources, technology and knowledge has seen the rapid development of vaccines that would have normally taken years. It was that or a potential "Hollywood Movie" style plague scenario.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    3 years ago
    Virus mutated, changed the game, the health advise has changed to keep pace with the latest science, it is what it is and it's here to stay.
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