Another SSB down in under two years.

  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    3 years ago
    I Though the SSB battery was good as had good cranking amps. then under two years back, first one had positive terminal break off. but I ignored that bought a new one. And less than two years it's died. I feel like I had a dog piss on one leg, then I turn around let it piss on other leg.
    so what battery's are you having good luck with?

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    3 years ago
    Harley ones haven't lasted me any longer than 2 years of late Krash, dunno why, SSB is at least cheaper to replace, you would think there must be a decent one out there somewhere though aye
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    3 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 13 Mar 2021 03:31 AM

    Harley ones haven't lasted me any longer than 2 years of late Krash, dunno why, SSB is at least cheaper to replace, you would think there must be a decent one out there somewhere though aye

    I agree GM!! in the past Harley ( think Deka ) have lasted me for years.

    a mate had same problem as me with his first SSB and the replacement SSB they gave him looks like a different SSB model ( both AGM type both same size just think diff cca ) my two had advertised 425cca. my sporty has very high cranking pressure, his one a bit lower pressure . his looks like a flat track racer mines stock looking both 88 inch.
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    3 years ago
    I was talking to a bloke the other day who is a bit of an ace at electrics on bikes and who knows and dislikes Harleys.
    He said that as far as he knows, no Harleys have warning lights on the dash/speedo etc that say your battery is not charging.
    In other words, if your battery is not charging you don't know till it is flat.
    Can't say for sure if that is true for newer models but my shovel and twin cam certainly will not let you know via a warning light if battery is not charging.
    Maybe sometimes the battery is not the weakest link?.
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    3 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 13 Mar 2021 09:39 AM

    I was talking to a bloke the other day who is a bit of an ace at electrics on bikes and who knows and dislikes Harleys.
    He said that as far as he knows, no Harleys have warning lights on the dash/speedo etc that say your battery is not charging.
    In other words, if your battery is not charging you don't know till it is flat.
    Can't say for sure if that is true for newer models but my shovel and twin cam certainly will not let you know via a warning light if battery is not charging.
    Maybe sometimes the battery is not the weakest link?.

    Far Canal , I always use a multi meter to check my battery being charged when motor running . I've ridden Harley's since the late 70's without a break. my battery's lasted a long time when I just used a kick starter. then when I had a quick 95" twin cam FXD that had very high comp, I put de comp valves into heads. that worked great and battery & starter lasted. my sporty has very high comp too but no de comp valve 's . the new very big inch EFI motors all have built in de comp to help them crank big motors over quick.
    I like all bikes, had a few dirt bikes but all Harley road bikes. the old one's cracked everything if you road high miles like I did, but you got to learn what to do to get home. wait till we start riding electric bike's!! cheers

    also forgot mate got a Power AGM battery and having good luck think  model is NPCMX-1  so I'll try one, then check the alt and reg giving it power when motor running , but the battery I had that went south not taking a charge from battery tender.
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    3 years ago
    Krash, the "Power" brand Battery you mention looks suspiciously like it comes from the same factory as SSB  !
    SSB are struck of my list :-/

    Because of our small market, we miss out on most of the decent batteries that the guys in the US have available.
    Apart from Deka/HD 99% of the batteries here are just cheap Chinese junk built to a price.
    It is possible to make a good battery that will last, but it costs more to manufacture, and they will sell less of them( not good business !)
    The CCA rating of the chinese batteries is a bit dodgy, as a cheap small lead acid battery struggles to produce the current they list.
    I have a digital battery analyzer , and the HD battery that is rated at 315 CCA  (at -18 Deg') actually produces around 370 @ ~20 Deg' when new.

    I would like to try a Lithium, but we get ripped off here, and pay around double the price , and they can be a bit fragile.
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    3 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 13 Mar 2021 09:39 AM

    I was talking to a bloke the other day who is a bit of an ace at electrics on bikes and who knows and dislikes Harleys.
    He said that as far as he knows, no Harleys have warning lights on the dash/speedo etc that say your battery is not charging.
    In other words, if your battery is not charging you don't know till it is flat.
    Can't say for sure if that is true for newer models but my shovel and twin cam certainly will not let you know via a warning light if battery is not charging.
    Maybe sometimes the battery is not the weakest link?.

    My '96 WG has just the usual 3 lights - oil pressure, neutral and high beam indicators, a 'charge fail' indicator would have been nice.
    I have the added bonus from my Dakota Digital speedo of the actual charging voltage displayed. Really handy for setting carb idle revs high enough to get a high enough charging voltage.
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    3 years ago
    Quoting speedzter on 13 Mar 2021 11:40 PM

    Krash, the "Power" brand Battery you mention looks suspiciously like it comes from the same factory as SSB  !
    SSB are struck of my list :-/

    Because of our small market, we miss out on most of the decent batteries that the guys in the US have available.
    Apart from Deka/HD 99% of the batteries here are just cheap Chinese junk built to a price.
    It is possible to make a good battery that will last, but it costs more to manufacture, and they will sell less of them( not good business !)
    The CCA rating of the chinese batteries is a bit dodgy, as a cheap small lead acid battery struggles to produce the current they list.
    I have a digital battery analyzer , and the HD battery that is rated at 315 CCA  (at -18 Deg') actually produces around 370 @ ~20 Deg' when new.

    I would like to try a Lithium, but we get ripped off here, and pay around double the price , and they can be a bit fragile.

    speedzter  I agree. bike batteries here have always been a bit dodgy, HD batteries were the best but, I think they have dropped a bit. your right about the Power brand , my mate had a positive terminal break off , same as I had happen and was an SSB they replaced his as under 12 months old, replaced with the Power. but those, SSB & Power do crank harder as I had a 320? cca battery on my sporty when I went 88" and it was struggling to turn it, put the SSB on & one touch of button it turned motor fired it up. but I feel like I'm throwing money into a hole.

    Wideglider , yeh charge fail light might be good. but I ride regularly & have done for a long time, I think when I road a kick start only Shovel , batteries lasted a long long time. you could put an amp gauge on. but I'll just get a new battery, hook it up & when I start it & warm motor up, I'll then put a multimeter on an see what volt it is reading, give it some revs to check it's not over charging ( had that happen on a Harley once was putting 19 volts Burnt out speedo before I got it. another time I had an old style battery that used a breather hose, blow up ( acid everywhere, but bike was still running fine )
  • dicko
    dicko
    3 years ago
    Yep, my roadking gave a check engine light intermittently. every time i got it near the workshop it went away , turned out the regulator had failed, and flattened the battery. I didn't realise this until I installed a second battery and it failed as well.  I checked the first failed battery and found short circuit on one cell. So hers the result . Short circuit battery fucks the regulator , second battery failed because of fucked regulator. answer replace both.!@#$#@!
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    3 years ago
    Quoting dicko on 18 Mar 2021 10:10 AM

    Yep, my roadking gave a check engine light intermittently. every time i got it near the workshop it went away , turned out the regulator had failed, and flattened the battery. I didn't realise this until I installed a second battery and it failed as well.  I checked the first failed battery and found short circuit on one cell. So hers the result . Short circuit battery fucks the regulator , second battery failed because of fucked regulator. answer replace both.!@#$#@!

    dicko I always check, charging system working when I fit new battery. Like pre charge battery , put on bike, fire up, then check alternator and reg working . these batteries last over 12months , the warranty is twelve months. on cars it's three years ( normally ). when I had a kick start only 98 cubic inch Shovel the battery's lasted at least 8 years or more.
  • dicko
    dicko
    3 years ago
     I've actually been getting about 4-5 years out of batteries except that one with the short. I use the battery keeper and keep it plugged in when not riding.