You raise a valid set of points PB but as I see it a good forum is made up of a collection of individuals that as a whole have some sway on the feel of the place, this is no longer that place, when KC set it up it was pretty cool, we even had a bar at one stage where you could chat real time with multiple people, was great hanging shit on each other with half a gutful, anyway them days passed and he copped so much shit at times that there was the great purge, some of you would remember that far back, two other forums spawned from that event, I'm a member of one, so are a few others on here, but they do not really have the pull of this place, not a fan of the big stick myself so I'm struggling to find common ground to be honest.