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  • TJU
    TJU
    4 years ago



    Gidday all … am hoping some of you intelligent folks can confirm something or point me in the right direction … I have been Very Bad and have been neglecting my 99 Springer , since I got my 17 RG … so I got around to digging her out recently and did a Handle Bar change , all went well … having been sitting for approximately a year and a half without being started .. I know not good .. I removed plugs and put in 5 th gear and made sure there was no seizing or motor lock up .. just wanted to be sure .. all good .

    Started up no worries … this is the issue .. runs great but is pissing out fuel out of the overflow and not just dripping , full flowing all over the floor … So I am fairly sure the Old fuel is making the Needle and seat stick and is not letting the Float in the Carbie bowl work correctly … 42 Mil Mikuni is what I am running .

    Have done the whole tapping on the side of the bowl to see if that would free it up but with no luck … is there likely to be any other possible reasons for the overflow before I get into the whole pulling the carbie off to clean it out … for example I don't think I did but when I removed and replaced tanks when doing Handlebar change would pinching the breather hoses be a possible contender for the overflow or am I just clutching at straws .

    Would running some sort of Carbie / fuel cleaner be of any good … I did put new fuel in her after the tank replacement but the sticking needle and seat issue … if of course that what it is … more than likely happened with the Old fuel sitting in there all that time .

    Appreciate any comments … Cheers . 


     


       

  • TJU
    TJU
    4 years ago

    Thanks Magnum54 … yeah I figured it would be the only right solution but was just being hopeful that there may have been a simple fix … definitely a lesson learnt about not paying attention to the Old Girl .

    For yourself and others … what was the name of the 2 black rubber hoses that come out of the top of the heads and feed through the backing plate of Carbie … something to do with Blow By or Blow Back … absolute prick of things to get back in when everything is still connected … had the cover and filter and backing plate off thinking I could get to carbie bowl and possibly remove it and fix issue but it`s to much mucking around so looks like the whole carbie has to come off … Doh .

    Cheers .  

  • dicko
    dicko
    4 years ago
    If you can get to the fuel input hose is you might be able to unstick it with a blast of air pressure in there ( not too much), or wd40.????
  • Retroman
    Retroman
    4 years ago

    As said , carby stripdown ahead. Should hopefully be a "no cost" option if you are DIY.

    Usually you get away with using the same gaskets etc if you are careful on dissassembly, BE GENTLE...

  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Bikes fucked!......give you $500 lol
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    As Gregg said you might be able to do it no cost but I know if I was doing it one of the pricks would tear, are you able to source a kit locally if you need it?
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    4 years ago
      i would suggest that there is a massive build up of scum in the bowl and fuel galleries,imho there is only one way to clear this ,as others have said, and that is remove and clean/overhaul the carb.if a carb repair is not in your comfort zone it might be good to seek some help to get a good result.good luck with fixing your issue,looks like to good a ride to be sitting and growing old.
  • dicko
    dicko
    4 years ago
    Yeah I have plenty of times , generators left in shed etc, outboards, ride on mower, chain saw,grass blower,  left for a long time without draining carby empty before storage, I found that the fuel had completely dried out from the bowl leaving a small amount of green shit stuck to the metal parts. Either in the jet or the float valve. Some kind of corrosion caused by the fuel.
    Couple of times a sqirt did work . ( not always.)
    best optioon is to completely empty carby before long term storage, or regularly run bike to warm up temp. 
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    4 years ago
    I’ve found your issue to be a very common problem when running unleaded through my old bikes. Worst being Honda 4 because of 4 carbies, always a hard to reach central carby that pissed fuel.
    Unleaded leaves a sticky residue that slowly builds and sets to a gel then sets hard if left long enough.
    Unleaded is known to have a shelf life of about one month in a vented tank before it starts to deteriorate.
    Get some avgas, problem solved.
    BTW, bloody nice Springer !!
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    I have had the same problem in the past and it turned out to be something in the fuel inlet pipe!  It was too big to get past the fuel needle and seat but shaped such that it was happy to get in there and wedge the seat open.  Damn thing was intermittent as well so it was not until i removed the carb and seat/needle and flush back with carb cleaner that the piece of debris popped out. 
    Guess its a good argument for a fuel filter
  • TJU
    TJU
    4 years ago

    Apologies guys , have been away from the computer for a couple of days … as per usual very grateful for the reply`s .

    Paulybronco … don`t ever change , the World needs Funny buggers … and no , 500 bucks is a Tad low … the Sale price will be considerably more than 500 bucks when I put her up for Sale … Lol .

    Guys I am going to have a crack at sorting it myself … I was fairly sure it was going to have to be a remove carbie and give it a good clean out situation  , but was Wrongfully hoping there would be some simple fix … Wishful thinking .

    Now being the 99 Model Evo that has the Breather heads with the Umbrella Valves in the Rocker area and has those 2 Black rubber hoses that come from the heads and route themselves through the rear of the Carbie backing plate … are there any kits / ideas where I can run some tubes elsewhere instead of back into the Carbie … just bouncing ideas around my head .

    Will of course check all inlet fuel lines and so on … I already have a inline fuel filter but will change that out as well just to be sure .

    Worse case scenario if I stuff it up I will pack it up and trailer her to a decent mechanic … downside of moving out to the country is when things like this come up we are not exactly close to any workshops … but would never move back to the City , to many Crazies , Lol … and the Traffic is Horrendous .

    Sadly I had a Fantastic mechanic down Upper Coomera way but we had a falling out so that's a Bummer … and of course the 3 dealers closest , Gasoline … Wacker's … and Darling Downs won`t work on Older bikes … I'm about 1 hour away from all of them … the first time I was told that my 99 Springer was to Old to work on I said I considered Flat Heads .. Knuckles .. Pans .. and possibly Shovels .. Might .. fall into the to Old Category but was a Tad off putting by saying Evo`s were Old … Luckily I still don`t own my 76 Shovel .

    I am about 20 minutes West of Ipswich on the way to Toowoomba , Qld … if there are any recommendations for Decent quality Mechanics out my way send them through so I can look into them .. IF .. I don`t have any luck doing the work myself .

    Cheers guys and as always … Thanks .            

  • TJU
    TJU
    4 years ago
    Thanks Magnum54 … that sounds like a plan .
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    4 years ago
    imho,carbies are similar to one another ,with some little extra's/differences,do you have a good bike shop handy,not nessarcarily a road bike shop,they should be able to help,especially if the are old school blokes,this might assist you if you get stuck.cheers.
  • TJU
    TJU
    4 years ago



    Gidday All … well possibly I might have found the issue … Fingers Crossed … that's a ear cotton bud by the way to give a bit of context as to how small the piece of gunk was .

    When I removed the Carbie and got the bowl off I was a bit disappointed , the bowl was spotless , clean as and I thought what the Frickin Hell , I hate it when I can`t find the problem like it should be because it would have meant there was another issue I was not aware of … then I thought well better go a couple of steps further … pulled the Float out and pulled needle and seat out and still couldn`t see any issue`s .

    Although it did look like a extremely small piece of Black substance was in the very tiny hole at the base of where the Needle and seat sits in … luckily enough I could just grab it with some pointy nosed plyers and removed it … thinking was this the reason for the overflow .

    Anyhow put it all back together and so far so good , No Leaks … while I thought I did have a inline fuel filter on the old girl it turns out I didn`t … must of been on one of my other bikes … will have to try and find a way to get one on there … don`t know if it is a common issue but there is Fuck all space to locate one in behind the carbie .

    I know people put them on the fuel tap side but on mine being a fairly heavily customised project I had the ignition moved to that area so again bugger all space to fit one … will find a place somewhere .

    Thanks for the comments and advice guys … cheers .

     

  • Retroman
    Retroman
    4 years ago

    A good find sir , well done. Hopefully only time and no money involved ?

    They are my "favourite favourite" repairs haha...

    You may need to fit a longer hose to accommodate an inline filter and route it to avoid chafing ( VERY important that !)

  • HOG63
    HOG63
    4 years ago
    Your springer would be well loved in my garage... 
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    4 years ago
    This was an exceedingly good post to read.Thanks I for one enjoyed reading non EFI .
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    4 years ago
     i have seen a filter with inlet/outlet at the same end,but cant remember on what and where,or the size.  
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    4 years ago
    Quoting TJU on 10 Jul 2020 05:36 AM

    Apologies guys , have been away from the computer for a couple of days … as per usual very grateful for the reply`s .

    Paulybronco … don`t ever change , the World needs Funny buggers … and no , 500 bucks is a Tad low … the Sale price will be considerably more than 500 bucks when I put her up for Sale … Lol .

    Guys I am going to have a crack at sorting it myself … I was fairly sure it was going to have to be a remove carbie and give it a good clean out situation  , but was Wrongfully hoping there would be some simple fix … Wishful thinking .

    Now being the 99 Model Evo that has the Breather heads with the Umbrella Valves in the Rocker area and has those 2 Black rubber hoses that come from the heads and route themselves through the rear of the Carbie backing plate … are there any kits / ideas where I can run some tubes elsewhere instead of back into the Carbie … just bouncing ideas around my head .

    Will of course check all inlet fuel lines and so on … I already have a inline fuel filter but will change that out as well just to be sure .

    Worse case scenario if I stuff it up I will pack it up and trailer her to a decent mechanic … downside of moving out to the country is when things like this come up we are not exactly close to any workshops … but would never move back to the City , to many Crazies , Lol … and the Traffic is Horrendous .

    Sadly I had a Fantastic mechanic down Upper Coomera way but we had a falling out so that's a Bummer … and of course the 3 dealers closest , Gasoline … Wacker's … and Darling Downs won`t work on Older bikes … I'm about 1 hour away from all of them … the first time I was told that my 99 Springer was to Old to work on I said I considered Flat Heads .. Knuckles .. Pans .. and possibly Shovels .. Might .. fall into the to Old Category but was a Tad off putting by saying Evo`s were Old … Luckily I still don`t own my 76 Shovel .

    I am about 20 minutes West of Ipswich on the way to Toowoomba , Qld … if there are any recommendations for Decent quality Mechanics out my way send them through so I can look into them .. IF .. I don`t have any luck doing the work myself .

    Cheers guys and as always … Thanks .            

    Hey TJU,
    I'm sorry I didn't pick up on this earlier, I see you've got your problem sorted for now but for your future reference this guy is fairly handy to you. I have no experience with him for myself or anyone I know but someone on here might have dealt with him.

  • TJU
    TJU
    4 years ago

    Gidday Gents …

    Retroman … you got to love a repair that doesn't cost anything … plus it was a good learning experience … now to just find a place to fit the Fuel Filter .

    Hog63 … probably a few months yet , maybe a year or so but I am going to be selling the Beast … Having recently retired I have to be careful with the pennies and I can only ride one Bike at a time … so the ever patient wife tells me , Lol … 2 rego`s , insurance , maintenance and wear and tear are unfortunately not something I can afford in my Elder years .

    Baloffski and Brucefxdl … thanks for the comments … always welcomed .

    Jay-Dee … thanks for the hook up with Custom Motorcycle Company … will definitely check them out it there is anything else that comes up .

    Now to get her out for a few Blast on some of the Lovely .. while a tad bumpy .. back Country roads we have out this way .

    Cheers all for the advice and comments .       

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