204SE cam instal

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  • leachy
    leachy
    4 years ago
    Also for the moment it will just have the SE stage II Map in the SE pro tuner and stock headers with the SE nightstick slip on until further funds are available. Should all happen in the week after next so I'll keep you posted.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Quoting FXDF08 on 10 Jul 2020 11:29 AM

    I had 204 in my 96ci FXDF and 254e in my 103ci FLTRX. Yes two different size bikes, but the 254e were a lot more easily tuned and pulled from idle to red line. I don’t have dyno print out, as went with a canned tune and never needed to touch it. 204 sounded great at idle and did pull hard. Exhaust also a critical component, so you must factor that in.

    I now have a 103ci FXDL and am eager to hear how you go. I actually think your riding style sounds best suited to the 254e. Plenty of torque from low, but still fun. I th8nk the 204 will produce more HP, but you want torque down low (left of Dyno print out). Good luck and let us know either way you go.

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 10 Jul 2020 11:36 PM

    And there we have it, first hand experience, thanks for speaking up mate, the E is one of their later grinds as far as twin cams go, I remember when it came out and we was discussing cams for a 103 bagger on HTT and I brought it up, the OP looked it up and said it was described as a hot rod cam, intake close ain't the be all and end all of timing events, the cr570-2 is evidence of that, interesting.

    Quoting fatbat on 11 Jul 2020 03:50 AM

    The cycle Rama 570 cam’s intake close is at 32 degrees. It’s early which is why it produces lots of torque down low. 

    The se204 cam’s intake close is at 34 degrees. 

    The se254e cam’s intake close is at 43 degrees. 

    Agree intake close timing isn’t the be all and end all but it’s a key timing event that dictates when the cam is on  

    Yeah yeah, that's my point mate, that 570 runs out even with the early close, no expert but was told the exhaust timing has a lot to do with that, I'd still go the 204 over the E.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    4 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 10 Jul 2020 11:36 PM

    And there we have it, first hand experience, thanks for speaking up mate, the E is one of their later grinds as far as twin cams go, I remember when it came out and we was discussing cams for a 103 bagger on HTT and I brought it up, the OP looked it up and said it was described as a hot rod cam, intake close ain't the be all and end all of timing events, the cr570-2 is evidence of that, interesting.

    Quoting fatbat on 11 Jul 2020 03:50 AM

    The cycle Rama 570 cam’s intake close is at 32 degrees. It’s early which is why it produces lots of torque down low. 

    The se204 cam’s intake close is at 34 degrees. 

    The se254e cam’s intake close is at 43 degrees. 

    Agree intake close timing isn’t the be all and end all but it’s a key timing event that dictates when the cam is on  

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 11 Jul 2020 07:08 AM

    Yeah yeah, that's my point mate, that 570 runs out even with the early close, no expert but was told the exhaust timing has a lot to do with that, I'd still go the 204 over the E.

    Ahhh sorry I misunderstood but now I see your point. I’m sure he’ll be happy with either option. In a light dyna both will work well. 
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    4 years ago
    Yeah, 204's Mr Lush inserted into my 2012 103, and with his Dyno balancing, I was and am still extremely happy.
  • leachy
    leachy
    4 years ago
    Hopefully by the end of next week it will be done, so ill let you know. Unfortunately though its not like I will have the ability to compare, so I guess ill be happy either way. While I was at the shop there was another there who had his bike in getting tires changed and said he had ridden bikes with both cams, and his current bike had 255 cam. He was part of the whole conversation and agreed that the 254e would be a better option for me as well. I agreed looking at the dyno curves and timing it does seem that 204 would be better, however the 254 does have a bigger lift which at a different part of the cycle which makes up for the duration and brings it on a little lower in the revs. 
  • TobyOne
    TobyOne
    4 years ago
    I’ll be interested to her how you go. I ended up going with an S&S 583 cam, and after a little over a year am considering if there is a better suited one for me ...
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Quoting TobyOne on 13 Jul 2020 09:07 AM

    I’ll be interested to her how you go. I ended up going with an S&S 583 cam, and after a little over a year am considering if there is a better suited one for me ...

    Toby I dunno if yours has been dyno tuned or not but this the sort of curves you could expect with that cam, it's not one for me but lots of people like it to all happen early.

  • FXDF08
    FXDF08
    4 years ago
    Leachy, you won’t be disappointed. You will notice it from idle and it will be an improvement all the way to past 5000rpm if you chose to take it there. I’m with you that I don’t rev my HDs past 5000, so perfect for my riding style. At 110 in sixth, it accelerates very nicely past everything on the road. No need to drop a gear.
    I’m not one to worry about top speed on a HD, but the 254e gave my 103 FLTRX more top end/speed than I ever imagined. 190kph and still going on one crazy, but fun morning. That was loaded too!
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    4 years ago
    Quoting TobyOne on 13 Jul 2020 09:07 AM

    I’ll be interested to her how you go. I ended up going with an S&S 583 cam, and after a little over a year am considering if there is a better suited one for me ...

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 13 Jul 2020 11:14 AM

    Toby I dunno if yours has been dyno tuned or not but this the sort of curves you could expect with that cam, it's not one for me but lots of people like it to all happen early.

    Looks like a good heavy tourer cam Hilly, that early tq helps get the land barge up to speed
  • leachy
    leachy
    4 years ago
    Yeah FDXF i have a vfr 800 if i want high revving bike to ride. I want reliability and at the same time as getting just a little more from that large lazy motor, but big heavy pistons, high revs dont go with longevity and reliability. 
  • leachy
    leachy
    4 years ago
    So finally the work is done and I'm very happy with it how the bike now performs. In saying that im not sure if the 204 cams would have been better. But this is what has changed. Its a littlt lumpy at idle but nothing too noticeable, but what you do feel at idle sitting on the bike is a bigger pulse of the it firing, in saying that the engine seems more stable in the frame. As you take off and the revs increase the motor seems smoother, around 1800rpm my engine used to be a bit viby that has gone. It pulls hard from 2500-4500rpm and it spins up a lot faster.  Across the rev range it feels just more refined, smoother and responsive. It runs much harder in the rev range i run at. Im not sure if its possibly because of the tune that was loaded into it but it much better. There is a slight increase in mechanical top end noise but you need to look for it. Overall its turned it into a much better bike for me.
  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    4 years ago
    Just picked up the dyno sheet.

  • leachy
    leachy
    4 years ago
    That looks pretty good Smokey, I have no idea what mine would look like. I still have the stock headers and SE Nightstick slip on.
    I bet it feels really good to ride over the stock cams. Hopefully in the next few months I will get mine dynoed at APL sth Windsor.

    Regards
    Leachy
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    4 years ago
    Be nice to smooth out that dip at 3250rpm though. (not that I'm being picky!)
    Nice peak at 5250 as well.... at least your not having to nudge 6000 to hit peak power.
  • leachy
    leachy
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 16 Jul 2020 05:08 AM

    Be nice to smooth out that dip at 3250rpm though. (not that I'm being picky!)

    Nice peak at 5250 as well.... at least your not having to nudge 6000 to hit peak power.

    Do you think that would be the exhaust making that curve?
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    4 years ago


    This is the dyno chart of my 2013 road glide custom (103ci) with se204 cams and a decent 2-1 exhaust. 

  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 16 Jul 2020 05:08 AM

    Be nice to smooth out that dip at 3250rpm though. (not that I'm being picky!)

    Nice peak at 5250 as well.... at least your not having to nudge 6000 to hit peak power.

    The dip is somewhat deceptive, as there's more power everywhere compared to a stocker. The dip is where there's just a little less extra power.

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    4 years ago
    Quoting Smokey61 on 16 Jul 2020 02:51 AM

    Just picked up the dyno sheet.


    Them hp curves are similar aye.
    You like it Smokey?
  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    4 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 16 Jul 2020 05:08 AM

    Be nice to smooth out that dip at 3250rpm though. (not that I'm being picky!)

    Nice peak at 5250 as well.... at least your not having to nudge 6000 to hit peak power.

    Quoting leachy on 16 Jul 2020 05:23 AM

    Do you think that would be the exhaust making that curve?

    Very likely, Fatbat's dyno chart shows the dip at 5000 revs compared to mine at 3250 revs. A 2-1 exhaust might be a better fit for me but my formative HD years were the eighties, when the tapered turbos were king, so I just couldn't bring myself to put a 2-1 on the Widey. 
  • Smokey61
    Smokey61
    4 years ago
    Quoting Smokey61 on 16 Jul 2020 02:51 AM

    Just picked up the dyno sheet.

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 16 Jul 2020 08:19 AMedited: 16 Jul 2020 08:21 AM


    Them hp curves are similar aye.

    You like it Smokey?

    I like it, but it makes me do bad things. :D

    Would've liked to seen the torque curve.
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