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Nightster charging issues

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  • night_prowler
    night_prowler
    4 years ago
    Hey gents, 
    Having some charging issues with my 08 Nightster, I replaced the standard battery after it shit itself about 5 months ago and it’s been ridden every day without a problem (although I’ve noticed it cranks slower than the old one) but it wouldn’t start a couple of weeks ago on a cool morning so I charged the battery (was hardly even flat) chucked it back in and kept riding to work everyday until this weekend just passed, decided to get out for a run and it wouldn’t start, same deal, it’s showing that it’s just below a full charge. I cleaned up all my terminals at either end as there was a little corrosion and it’s been going alright but this arvo on my way home from work it almost didn’t start, really slow cranking and only just fired, I’d put money on it that it won’t start tomorrow morning, so I’m looking for somewhere to start, the battery is only 5 months old and is 300 CCA... my one theory at the moment is that because it’s running a 1275 kit with high compression pistons that maybe it needs more cranking amps and it’s not keeping up? Particularly now that the temps dropping. It’s like if the battery is not absolutely fully charged it won’t turn over. Also there’s no codes in diagnostics nor is the engine light on... any help would be beaute! 
  • steelo
    steelo
    4 years ago
    Have you an aftermarket tuner?  Had any tune work lately?  I read on here ages ago about auto decompression sometimes getting accidentally turned off. 
  • night_prowler
    night_prowler
    4 years ago
    Hey Steelo, I’ve got a screamin Eagle super tuner pro, I haven’t noticed anything about auto decomp on the program so I’ll check that out, also I checked the battery voltage while I had it hooked up to the tuner and it was 11.40 while the ignition was on and 13.50 while running. 
  • markwoumla
    markwoumla
    4 years ago
    Quoting night_prowler on 05 May 2020 07:25 AM

    Hey Steelo, I’ve got a screamin Eagle super tuner pro, I haven’t noticed anything about auto decomp on the program so I’ll check that out, also I checked the battery voltage while I had it hooked up to the tuner and it was 11.40 while the ignition was on and 13.50 while running. 

    11.4 volts is to low for a sitting battery, whether ignition is on or not..

    A good easy check if battery is bad or failing, is to check while cranking.

    1. Make sure battery is fully charged as best you can ,,, say over night.
    2. Connect multi meter to battery terminals and check voltage while bike is off. (ie ignition off).
    3. Turn ignition ON and check voltage,,(seems you have 11.4 v.)
    4. Now, take a good look at multi meter,,, and crank/start bike.. What is the lowest voltage while cranking over ????
    5. Now bike has started,, increase rpms to 2000 rpm,,, What is the voltage ????

    Come back with all these figures ,, this will tell us a lot …...
     

  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    4 years ago
    The battery is fucked. Put in another new battery. Save yourself a headfuck.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    4 years ago
    I always use a trickle charger which makes maintaining a battery easy as.
    Agree with mark w’s input re checks 
  • steelo
    steelo
    4 years ago
    Before you invest in new battery. Jump it with another ie 2 batteries.
    You did say battery is as good as new.  
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    4 years ago
    He said the battery is 5 months old.
    He also said its holding 11.4  volts. after an overnight charge..
    I am just a dirty arsed old fitter but  my money is on a fucked battery. 
    There might be something going on with the regulator / flux capacitor / gyroscopic inertial giggly pin though. They all fuck batteries. 
    How long did the last battery last np?
  • steelo
    steelo
    4 years ago
    Don’t be defensive bb. Wasn’t being critical. Might just need another can of soda in the Mr. Fusion Home Energy Reactor. 
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    4 years ago
    So just because I am a dirty arsed old fitter you think youre better than me do you steelo?
  • steelo
    steelo
    4 years ago
    Haha. Yes. 
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    4 years ago
    Whats in your fukin portfolio?   What do you do for a fukin job?
    While we are at it steelo I am a bit worried about old mate ballofski. I might have upset him last night but I didnt mean to.
  • night_prowler
    night_prowler
    4 years ago
    Cheers guys, I’ve ridden to work today and rode it around town yesterday, stopping and starting it a few times even while cold to see if it would play up but its going like clockwork... my uneducated theory is because of the higher compression and a standard cca battery, perhaps the corrosion on the terminals might have been just enough to slow it up and prevent it from starting. As I said previously, putting it on the charger shows just a cunt hair off of full charge so it seems like unless it’s at 100% charge it doesn’t want to turn over. 
    I could also go to start it tomorrow and it may not fire and my entire theory will be a load of shit but anyway I appreciate the replies.

    One thing I will say, is the old HD gel battery that came out of it, I can’t remember the cca’s but you only had to breathe on the start button and it would fire into life. Probably should have just ordered the same one again. 
  • night_prowler
    night_prowler
    4 years ago
    Quoting night_prowler on 05 May 2020 07:25 AM

    Hey Steelo, I’ve got a screamin Eagle super tuner pro, I haven’t noticed anything about auto decomp on the program so I’ll check that out, also I checked the battery voltage while I had it hooked up to the tuner and it was 11.40 while the ignition was on and 13.50 while running. 

    Quoting markwoumla on 05 May 2020 09:30 AM

    11.4 volts is to low for a sitting battery, whether ignition is on or not..

    A good easy check if battery is bad or failing, is to check while cranking.

    1. Make sure battery is fully charged as best you can ,,, say over night.
    2. Connect multi meter to battery terminals and check voltage while bike is off. (ie ignition off).
    3. Turn ignition ON and check voltage,,(seems you have 11.4 v.)
    4. Now, take a good look at multi meter,,, and crank/start bike.. What is the lowest voltage while cranking over ????
    5. Now bike has started,, increase rpms to 2000 rpm,,, What is the voltage ????

    Come back with all these figures ,, this will tell us a lot …...
     

    Ok guys, still having dramas, bike didn’t start again on Monday morning. Oddly enough before I put the battery on charge that afternoon I thought I’d try it again and the fucken thing fires right up... head fuck alright. 
    So I went and bought a multimeter and the standing volts As of right now after I’ve ridden home from work is 13, drops to about 12.7 when the ignition is on, lowest voltage cranking over is about 7 and once it’s running it’s hanging around 14 volts BUT it doesn’t go higher than that with increased rpms... so not enough charge returning to battery? 
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    4 years ago
    Gee its hard to get good help these days  np.  
    You would think a sparky would have chipped in before now.
    Now youve got the multimeter you should check the battery voltage every hour or two overnight.
    You will be a bit wiser tomorrow if you do that.

  • night_prowler
    night_prowler
    4 years ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 15 May 2020 08:34 AMedited: 15 May 2020 08:56 AM

    Gee its hard to get good help these days  np.  

    You would think a sparky would have chipped in before now.
    Now youve got the multimeter you should check the battery voltage every hour or two overnight.
    You will be a bit wiser tomorrow if you do that.

    Cheers beagle, I’ll set some alarms and do just that. Will be a long night but I’m sure that will answer my question. 
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    4 years ago
    if you have a reliable [ trusting ] shop near by,take the battery in and have it load tested, a good quality load tester should give a good indication to how the battery is, have it well charged before going in.generally speaking , 13.7 to 14.5 volts is some where to what you need while running,of course higher than 14 v will be better,anything over 14.5-6 v could lead to overcharging and cook a cell.battery test is the quickest/ cheapest first test.cheers.
  • night_prowler
    night_prowler
    4 years ago
    Cheers Bruce, I’m going to get it tested to rule it out but it’s not even 6 months old... it’s a Power AGM battery which is a brand I’ve never heard of but the bloke who sold it to me reckons they’re the same as SSB which I thought was decent from my experience working in a bike shop but talking to another ‘expert’ I was told that while they’re Australian owned they’re made in China and they’re just cheap rubbish. 
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    4 years ago
    Hmmmmmmm,   the plot thickens.
    I am sticking to my original diagnosis. 
    The battery is fucked. 
    How did you go with the multi meter np?

  • John.R
    John.R
    4 years ago
    Checking the voltage periodically off the battery won't tell you anything. You need to check if amps are being or if you have parasitic loss.

    The results you've provided seem about right. 12.x at battery is good. 
    Im not 100% on the 7 volts while cranking, but if its kicking it over it seems okay. I dont really test voltage drop while cranking on healthy batteries. As an example, my FXR recently dropped a cell or three in the battery. 12.x V with ignition on, drops to 2volts when hitting starter (only heard starter relay click, not enough power to move solenoid), so it was well and truly cooked.

    14.xV while reving is about right. Thats the 'regulator' part of a reg/rec doing its job, You dont really want it over 15. 

    I would say your onto something with Compression/battery CCA and potentially your starter motor setup.

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