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  • GGUser260
    GGUser260
    2 years ago
    Quoting GGUser260 on 23 Feb 2022 09:21 AMedited: 23 Feb 2022 09:25 AM

    That's harsh.

    Her job is to represent clients; not to pick and choose the crims she thinks are noble. Representing is not akin to : liking them, approving of them nor sympathizing with them.
    ps  I believe Pusey is a piece of dogshit that should be hosed off the driveway of society. 

    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Feb 2022 10:08 AM

    Thankfully /sadly we have a system that allows you the best available representation regardless if you have a quid or are destitute. I agree that Mr Pusey should be flushed!

    Quoting fatbat on 23 Feb 2022 04:20 PMedited: 23 Feb 2022 04:26 PM

    Re views expressed above about lawyers merely representing people and not picking and choosing who they represent……..that truly only applies to legal aid lawyers. Many of the others value money far more than conscience. They have choice and choose accordingly  

    And people with money usually always end up with far better legal rep than those who don’t have money. 

    The Victorian Bar has the "cab rank principle"-If the matter is within one's field of expertise, the barrister is available  and the fee usually charged can be paid, the barrister is obliged to take the case.
    Your reference to only "legal aid lawyers" is ...wrong. Your general drivel about "many of the others" and their $ driven attitude , is a sweeping generalization at best.
    In fairness to you, your last sentence is totally accurate.(It is a job not a hobby)
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    2 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 23 Feb 2022 10:08 AM

    Thankfully /sadly we have a system that allows you the best available representation regardless if you have a quid or are destitute. I agree that Mr Pusey should be flushed!

    Quoting fatbat on 23 Feb 2022 04:20 PMedited: 23 Feb 2022 04:26 PM

    Re views expressed above about lawyers merely representing people and not picking and choosing who they represent……..that truly only applies to legal aid lawyers. Many of the others value money far more than conscience. They have choice and choose accordingly  

    And people with money usually always end up with far better legal rep than those who don’t have money. 

    Quoting GGUser260 on 24 Feb 2022 10:16 PMedited: 24 Feb 2022 10:25 PM

    The Victorian Bar has the "cab rank principle"-If the matter is within one's field of expertise, the barrister is available  and the fee usually charged can be paid, the barrister is obliged to take the case.

    Your reference to only "legal aid lawyers" is ...wrong. Your general drivel about "many of the others" and their $ driven attitude , is a sweeping generalization at best.
    In fairness to you, your last sentence is totally accurate.(It is a job not a hobby)

    The Victorian bar association is not the authority on all criminal law matters and terms of engagement.  It represents a poofteenth of Australian lawyers. And it only represents a minority of Victorian lawyers. The overwhelming majority of criminal defence work is undertaken by solicitors. And the overwhelming majority of barrister engagements are still the result of solicitor referrals. And the funny thing is most of those referrals are based on relationships formed over drinking bottles of wine. I bet the Victorian bar association doesn’t mention that in its “cab rank policy” or whatever you call it 

    There may be all types of “ethics” and “undertakings” about how criminal lawyers may get their work. But there are also all manners of excuses, bullshit, fee changes and realities when legal work is sought after and at other times unwanted. How people choose to earn their living and sleep at night is a matter for them. 

    I’ve got no beef with the profession and have friends and family working and practising in the criminal law sector. However there are some whose integrity and conscience are questionable at best irrespective of all the excuses rolled out which I’ve heard all before. 

    We’re gonna have a difference of opinion and I’m ok with that as it’s a discussion forum.  At least I stand by my views and don’t change or delete them 
  • GGUser260
    GGUser260
    2 years ago
    Quoting fatbat on 23 Feb 2022 04:20 PMedited: 23 Feb 2022 04:26 PM

    Re views expressed above about lawyers merely representing people and not picking and choosing who they represent……..that truly only applies to legal aid lawyers. Many of the others value money far more than conscience. They have choice and choose accordingly  

    And people with money usually always end up with far better legal rep than those who don’t have money. 

    Quoting GGUser260 on 24 Feb 2022 10:16 PMedited: 24 Feb 2022 10:25 PM

    The Victorian Bar has the "cab rank principle"-If the matter is within one's field of expertise, the barrister is available  and the fee usually charged can be paid, the barrister is obliged to take the case.

    Your reference to only "legal aid lawyers" is ...wrong. Your general drivel about "many of the others" and their $ driven attitude , is a sweeping generalization at best.
    In fairness to you, your last sentence is totally accurate.(It is a job not a hobby)

    Quoting fatbat on 25 Feb 2022 03:53 AMedited: 25 Feb 2022 04:09 AM

    The Victorian bar association is not the authority on all criminal law matters and terms of engagement.  It represents a poofteenth of Australian lawyers. And it only represents a minority of Victorian lawyers. The overwhelming majority of criminal defence work is undertaken by solicitors. And the overwhelming majority of barrister engagements are still the result of solicitor referrals. And the funny thing is most of those referrals are based on relationships formed over drinking bottles of wine. I bet the Victorian bar association doesn’t mention that in its “cab rank policy” or whatever you call it 


    There may be all types of “ethics” and “undertakings” about how criminal lawyers may get their work. But there are also all manners of excuses, bullshit, fee changes and realities when legal work is sought after and at other times unwanted. How people choose to earn their living and sleep at night is a matter for them. 

    I’ve got no beef with the profession and have friends and family working and practising in the criminal law sector. However there are some whose integrity and conscience are questionable at best irrespective of all the excuses rolled out which I’ve heard all before. 

    We’re gonna have a difference of opinion and I’m ok with that as it’s a discussion forum.  At least I stand by my views and don’t change or delete them 

    I won't delete a post if someone replies to it.
    LEGAL PROFESSION UNIFORM CONDUCT (BARRISTERS) RULES 2015 - REG 17 (this cab rank rule applies Australia wide not just to the Victorian Bar, but given Pusey was a Victorian matter, I didn't expect your focus on Australian Lawyers ) 
    What's your "gut-feel statistic" on who undertakes  "the overwhelming majority of serious criminal defence work that goes to trial?) 
    You've changed your original post from "many of the others"  to "... some whose integrity and conscience are questionable at best"
    Watering down your initial baseless assertion has at least rendered it banal rather than offensive. 
    Claiming "no beef" with the profession doesn't detract from your initial slur about the integrity of many, nor your innuendo about being able to sleep at night. Your " most of those referrals are based on relationships formed over drinking bottles of wine" regarding solicitor referrals to barristers is deeply rooted in cliche and horseshit. Ever considered that counsel get referrals from solicitors based on the work they do for solicitors in court over many years? (It's called "reputation") Having friends and family in the profession doesn't elevate your opinion to one based in experience. You are an outsider looking in, stand by whatever views you want -our respective opinions will remain poles apart.   

  • FBUser214
    FBUser214
    2 years ago
    Nothing wrong with putting up a second post James, then I don't have to keep reading the same post to pick up the changes.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    2 years ago
    Quoting GGUser260 on 24 Feb 2022 10:16 PMedited: 24 Feb 2022 10:25 PM

    The Victorian Bar has the "cab rank principle"-If the matter is within one's field of expertise, the barrister is available  and the fee usually charged can be paid, the barrister is obliged to take the case.

    Your reference to only "legal aid lawyers" is ...wrong. Your general drivel about "many of the others" and their $ driven attitude , is a sweeping generalization at best.
    In fairness to you, your last sentence is totally accurate.(It is a job not a hobby)

    Quoting fatbat on 25 Feb 2022 03:53 AMedited: 25 Feb 2022 04:09 AM

    The Victorian bar association is not the authority on all criminal law matters and terms of engagement.  It represents a poofteenth of Australian lawyers. And it only represents a minority of Victorian lawyers. The overwhelming majority of criminal defence work is undertaken by solicitors. And the overwhelming majority of barrister engagements are still the result of solicitor referrals. And the funny thing is most of those referrals are based on relationships formed over drinking bottles of wine. I bet the Victorian bar association doesn’t mention that in its “cab rank policy” or whatever you call it 


    There may be all types of “ethics” and “undertakings” about how criminal lawyers may get their work. But there are also all manners of excuses, bullshit, fee changes and realities when legal work is sought after and at other times unwanted. How people choose to earn their living and sleep at night is a matter for them. 

    I’ve got no beef with the profession and have friends and family working and practising in the criminal law sector. However there are some whose integrity and conscience are questionable at best irrespective of all the excuses rolled out which I’ve heard all before. 

    We’re gonna have a difference of opinion and I’m ok with that as it’s a discussion forum.  At least I stand by my views and don’t change or delete them 

    Quoting GGUser260 on 25 Feb 2022 06:40 AMedited: 25 Feb 2022 07:17 AM

    I won't delete a post if someone replies to it.

    LEGAL PROFESSION UNIFORM CONDUCT (BARRISTERS) RULES 2015 - REG 17 (this cab rank rule applies Australia wide not just to the Victorian Bar, but given Pusey was a Victorian matter, I didn't expect your focus on Australian Lawyers ) 
    What's your "gut-feel statistic" on who undertakes  "the overwhelming majority of serious criminal defence work that goes to trial?) 
    You've changed your original post from "many of the others"  to "... some whose integrity and conscience are questionable at best"
    Watering down your initial baseless assertion has at least rendered it banal rather than offensive. 
    Claiming "no beef" with the profession doesn't detract from your initial slur about the integrity of many, nor your innuendo about being able to sleep at night. Your " most of those referrals are based on relationships formed over drinking bottles of wine" regarding solicitor referrals to barristers is deeply rooted in cliche and horseshit. Ever considered that counsel get referrals from solicitors based on the work they do for solicitors in court over many years? (It's called "reputation") Having friends and family in the profession doesn't elevate your opinion to one based in experience. You are an outsider looking in, stand by whatever views you want -our respective opinions will remain poles apart.   

    Haha goodnight 260….I’m not gonna play the game of reading and responding to all your different versions. If you’re a lawyer, I really hope you don’t practice or bill people that way 
  • GGUser260
    GGUser260
    2 years ago
    Quoting fatbat on 25 Feb 2022 03:53 AMedited: 25 Feb 2022 04:09 AM

    The Victorian bar association is not the authority on all criminal law matters and terms of engagement.  It represents a poofteenth of Australian lawyers. And it only represents a minority of Victorian lawyers. The overwhelming majority of criminal defence work is undertaken by solicitors. And the overwhelming majority of barrister engagements are still the result of solicitor referrals. And the funny thing is most of those referrals are based on relationships formed over drinking bottles of wine. I bet the Victorian bar association doesn’t mention that in its “cab rank policy” or whatever you call it 


    There may be all types of “ethics” and “undertakings” about how criminal lawyers may get their work. But there are also all manners of excuses, bullshit, fee changes and realities when legal work is sought after and at other times unwanted. How people choose to earn their living and sleep at night is a matter for them. 

    I’ve got no beef with the profession and have friends and family working and practising in the criminal law sector. However there are some whose integrity and conscience are questionable at best irrespective of all the excuses rolled out which I’ve heard all before. 

    We’re gonna have a difference of opinion and I’m ok with that as it’s a discussion forum.  At least I stand by my views and don’t change or delete them 

    Quoting GGUser260 on 25 Feb 2022 06:40 AMedited: 25 Feb 2022 07:17 AM

    I won't delete a post if someone replies to it.

    LEGAL PROFESSION UNIFORM CONDUCT (BARRISTERS) RULES 2015 - REG 17 (this cab rank rule applies Australia wide not just to the Victorian Bar, but given Pusey was a Victorian matter, I didn't expect your focus on Australian Lawyers ) 
    What's your "gut-feel statistic" on who undertakes  "the overwhelming majority of serious criminal defence work that goes to trial?) 
    You've changed your original post from "many of the others"  to "... some whose integrity and conscience are questionable at best"
    Watering down your initial baseless assertion has at least rendered it banal rather than offensive. 
    Claiming "no beef" with the profession doesn't detract from your initial slur about the integrity of many, nor your innuendo about being able to sleep at night. Your " most of those referrals are based on relationships formed over drinking bottles of wine" regarding solicitor referrals to barristers is deeply rooted in cliche and horseshit. Ever considered that counsel get referrals from solicitors based on the work they do for solicitors in court over many years? (It's called "reputation") Having friends and family in the profession doesn't elevate your opinion to one based in experience. You are an outsider looking in, stand by whatever views you want -our respective opinions will remain poles apart.   

    Quoting fatbat on 25 Feb 2022 10:16 AM

    Haha goodnight 260….I’m not gonna play the game of reading and responding to all your different versions. If you’re a lawyer, I really hope you don’t practice or bill people that way 

    I don't give a fuck about what you hope.

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