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  • obisteve
    obisteve
    2 days ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 26 May 2025 10:02 AM

    There is no hearing...this is their ruling, its done! The did listen, didn't give a fuck and raised it by 10%......oh sorry to be fair did acknowledge that they recognise that "people are doing it tough at the moment" but suck shit here's your new bill.

    Quoting obisteve on 27 May 2025 11:46 AM

    Know of any other industry where a federal government body examines the retail price of the product, sets a default price for the industry after consultation with the retailers about their cost margins, and insists they don't raise that for 12 months?

    See that ever happening for the oil and gas industry?
     

    Quoting paulybronco on 27 May 2025 11:49 AM

    You dont see it for any industry that i can recall.

    That's one of the jobs the Australian Energy Regulator does, and what it's just done, set a maximum price the retailers can charge for the default plan, the one that's simple and understandable, for the next 12 months. Of course the retailers don't have to lift their prices to that, but you can bet they will. The retailers include both private enterprise ones, and at least in Qld a state govt. owned corporation.
    The ruling only applies to SE Qld, NSW, and SA.
    And I should have said the oil industry, not oil and gas, because the Aust Energy Regulator sets a max retail price for piped gas supplies too for domestic users and small business.
    Hilly, I can remember walking to the servo as a teenager, 1968 maybe, with a 1 gallon fuel can to get some petrol for the mower, cost under 50 cents. And at the same time, TV ads were hammering home the price of cheap smokes, 44 cents a pack.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    2 days ago
    Quoting evo94 on 26 May 2025 08:11 PM

    personal view - awesome.....hopefully follow suit with the rumblings of such an abomination in Cooloola

    Serios question here, not taking the piss, why don't people like wind farms?
    Talked to a few people about it but so far only heard that they think they're ugly and I can't understand it. To me they're beautifully elegant engineering, as sleek as a racing sail planes wings, as beautifully fit for purpose as a set of Carillo con rods.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    2 days ago
    Quoting obisteve on 27 May 2025 11:46 AM

    Know of any other industry where a federal government body examines the retail price of the product, sets a default price for the industry after consultation with the retailers about their cost margins, and insists they don't raise that for 12 months?

    See that ever happening for the oil and gas industry?
     

    Quoting paulybronco on 27 May 2025 11:49 AM

    You dont see it for any industry that i can recall.

    Quoting obisteve on 28 May 2025 11:02 AM

    That's one of the jobs the Australian Energy Regulator does, and what it's just done, set a maximum price the retailers can charge for the default plan, the one that's simple and understandable, for the next 12 months. Of course the retailers don't have to lift their prices to that, but you can bet they will. The retailers include both private enterprise ones, and at least in Qld a state govt. owned corporation.

    The ruling only applies to SE Qld, NSW, and SA.
    And I should have said the oil industry, not oil and gas, because the Aust Energy Regulator sets a max retail price for piped gas supplies too for domestic users and small business.
    Hilly, I can remember walking to the servo as a teenager, 1968 maybe, with a 1 gallon fuel can to get some petrol for the mower, cost under 50 cents. And at the same time, TV ads were hammering home the price of cheap smokes, 44 cents a pack.

    Faark how goods your memory!. I do remember as a kid being the night manager of the drive thru grog shop when a ctn of beer was $19.99 and no one heard of Coronas, Heineken or boutique beers. 
  • B0nes
    B0nes
    yesterday
    Quoting evo94 on 26 May 2025 08:11 PM

    personal view - awesome.....hopefully follow suit with the rumblings of such an abomination in Cooloola

    Quoting obisteve on 28 May 2025 11:09 AMedited: 28 May 2025 11:22 AM

    Serios question here, not taking the piss, why don't people like wind farms?

    Talked to a few people about it but so far only heard that they think they're ugly and I can't understand it. To me they're beautifully elegant engineering, as sleek as a racing sail planes wings, as beautifully fit for purpose as a set of Carillo con rods.

    Haven't you heard from the US president who claims to be an expert. They kill thousands of birds and the ones popping up along the coast lines are killing all the whales.
  • B0nes
    B0nes
    yesterday
    Quoting dicko on 29 May 2025 03:05 AM

    https://www.mackinac.org/blog/2023/clean-energy-isnt-clean

    I did read that the blades have no value once they hit EOL,  so just get cut up and put into landfill. Not to sure, but isn't that also another thing that "we" are trying to do. Reduce landfill.
  • Hilly
    Hilly
    yesterday
    I'll read that article properly later Dicko, always open to learning something, if it's horseshit I'm gunna point it out though 
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    yesterday
    Quoting evo94 on 26 May 2025 08:11 PM

    personal view - awesome.....hopefully follow suit with the rumblings of such an abomination in Cooloola

    Quoting obisteve on 28 May 2025 11:09 AMedited: 28 May 2025 11:22 AM

    Serios question here, not taking the piss, why don't people like wind farms?

    Talked to a few people about it but so far only heard that they think they're ugly and I can't understand it. To me they're beautifully elegant engineering, as sleek as a racing sail planes wings, as beautifully fit for purpose as a set of Carillo con rods.

    Quoting B0nes on 28 May 2025 10:11 PM

    Haven't you heard from the US president who claims to be an expert. They kill thousands of birds and the ones popping up along the coast lines are killing all the whales.

    Well I'd treat that with much the same regard that I would most of what the orange shit gibbon says. Turbine blades do kill birds, but painting 1 blade of the 3 black appears to drop the kill rate by 3/4s according to 2023 research.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    yesterday
    I took the tablet Hilly, honest I did.
    Interesting article Dicko, gonna take a bit to check it over point by point, but a couple of things jump straight out.
    First, it conveniently ignores the fly ash production of a coal fired generator, estimated to be 100 million tons annually for the USA. Depending on the coal mine that supplies it, this is likely to be more or less radioactive.
    Another thing that jumped out, they assume that land used for wind farms was otherwise wasted. Most of the ones I've visited are on productive grazing land, giving a substantial second income to the cow cocky.
    And another minor point that jumped straight out was them saying saying that renewables were threatening the world's supply of Dysprosium. This is used as an alloy in high strength magnets for permanent magnet electric motors. A nuclear power boom would also suck it up, it's used in reactor control rods.
    One essential basic thing to also do, will be to fact check the organisation's mentioned, the Mackinac Centre and the Manhattan Institute. Pretty sure I know what I'll find though, US conservative think tank and propaganda outlet of medium reliability.
    To be continued, but if a lot of members of the forum want us to wind it down, I'll happily take another of Hilly's pills.
    And one last thing for now, I don't know how people manage to use the Oz average of 10,000 kWhrs of leccy annually. Attached is our usage, 2 people, leaky draughty old house, with half the walls single skin weatherboard, on a block that's gets frosts down to minus 4° for a month of winter, all the usual electrical shit. This shows why  our electricity account is now in credit.


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  • evo94
    evo94
    14 hours ago
    Quoting evo94 on 26 May 2025 08:11 PM

    personal view - awesome.....hopefully follow suit with the rumblings of such an abomination in Cooloola

    Quoting obisteve on 28 May 2025 11:09 AMedited: 28 May 2025 11:22 AM

    Serios question here, not taking the piss, why don't people like wind farms?

    Talked to a few people about it but so far only heard that they think they're ugly and I can't understand it. To me they're beautifully elegant engineering, as sleek as a racing sail planes wings, as beautifully fit for purpose as a set of Carillo con rods.

    yeah naah mate - think exact opposite of your detailed description of them.....we were riding past the solar farm towards Kilkivan coupla days ago & felt like we were amongst a squillion rooftops in the middle of Brissy.....just my thoughts is all, dont stress - it is what it is :)
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    12 hours ago
    With solar panels I completely agree with you evo, pus ugly, put them all out in a desert somewhere with good grid connection.
    Still, I think a lot of things are pus ugly and they still keep building them. Mobile phone towers, feed lots when they're down to big paddocks of shit covered bare dirt with thousands of cattle grazing them, that squillion rooftops in Brissy.
    That the one between Woolooga and Widgee?
    And never gonna stress when someone has a different opinion on what looks good than me.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 hours ago
    Quoting obisteve on 29 May 2025 11:27 AMedited: 29 May 2025 11:34 AM

    I took the tablet Hilly, honest I did.

    Interesting article Dicko, gonna take a bit to check it over point by point, but a couple of things jump straight out.
    First, it conveniently ignores the fly ash production of a coal fired generator, estimated to be 100 million tons annually for the USA. Depending on the coal mine that supplies it, this is likely to be more or less radioactive.
    Another thing that jumped out, they assume that land used for wind farms was otherwise wasted. Most of the ones I've visited are on productive grazing land, giving a substantial second income to the cow cocky.
    And another minor point that jumped straight out was them saying saying that renewables were threatening the world's supply of Dysprosium. This is used as an alloy in high strength magnets for permanent magnet electric motors. A nuclear power boom would also suck it up, it's used in reactor control rods.
    One essential basic thing to also do, will be to fact check the organisation's mentioned, the Mackinac Centre and the Manhattan Institute. Pretty sure I know what I'll find though, US conservative think tank and propaganda outlet of medium reliability.
    To be continued, but if a lot of members of the forum want us to wind it down, I'll happily take another of Hilly's pills.
    And one last thing for now, I don't know how people manage to use the Oz average of 10,000 kWhrs of leccy annually. Attached is our usage, 2 people, leaky draughty old house, with half the walls single skin weatherboard, on a block that's gets frosts down to minus 4° for a month of winter, all the usual electrical shit. This shows why  our electricity account is now in credit.


    Screenshot_20250528_094327_DuckDuckGo.jpg
    Fooked if i know how this works.....same two people in the house, new improved pool pump and we went from 18.91 kwh to 25.87kwh per day somehow....we sold back 434kwk @ .10c and a further 183.088kwh giving me a credit of $57.55 and we still got a bill for $198.02 and that INCLUDES the discount of $75 qld gov rebate for the March/April....its a rort. 
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