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  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    1 month
    The fact is that all energy sources have their positives and negatives (literally). People on either side of the fence only want to see the positives associated with their preference and very conveniently ignore the negatives.

    The current huge push to renewable energy simply won't work like these idiots (ALP and Greens) keep kidding themselves it will. Expect to see existing coal fired stations scheduled for closure being propped up by the government to keep them operating for some time yet and make sure that you have a decent generator at home.
  • Hilly
    Hilly
    1 month
    Agree with your first paragraph JayDee, as for the second, regardless of what path is taken those coal and gas fired stations are going to be needed for awhile yet and their continued reliability is questionable at best.
    I don't believe consumer prices will truely come down whatever "team" wins the day. The "idiots" are not restricted to the ALP and the greens either, the vested interests of all parties muddy the waters while we keep paying the price.

  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 month
    Aside from policy's and spin all i can tell you is my stats for the last month and the result. 13KW system on the roof generating a ave of 42kw every day for 31days for a total of 1302kw from the system. Rain etc reduced the output, we used 775kw and we got a bill for $300. The total feed in tariff was a miserable $43.40.......or around $1.40 per day for the month. Was the system that cost around $13k 5yrs ago worth it......
  • Hilly
    Hilly
    1 month
    And that's plainly wrong, the way it's all calculated is fucked up.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 month
    Its actually cost me $13k for my bill to increase $50 a mth from 5yrs ago before i put solar on! Not much we can do i guess.
  • Hilly
    Hilly
    1 month
    Be nice if batteries gave you an economical option to disconnect entirely from the grid but the cost involved there would be prohibitive I imagine, even if was a viable option they would probably invent a sun tax!
  • 408
    408
    1 month
    Tasmania had the answers from 1916 with clean renewable energy generated from hydro dams.
    We had a Premier known as 'Electric Eric' who championed hydro dams for 13 years while he was in office.
    A proposal to dam the Gordon below Franklin upset the kayakers and the bushwalkers and they mobilised against the government. 
    There were compromises and changes of government resulting from the debate and demonstrations and a Tasmanian Liberal government proceeded with the construction, but were stopped by a High Court decision after ignoring the Hawke government's demand to stop work. 
    That was the beginning of the end of our clean renewable power and the beginning of the green parties.


  • obisteve
    obisteve
    1 month
    But the others are still there and in operation aren't they? The system just wasn't expanded.
    And you're right, if you have the water resource, hydro is a good way to go.
    Which is why I like the pumped hydro planned for Borumba dam up here.
    Unfortunately it's being hit with short sighted coordinated opposition, wrapped up with against the new transmission line needed, grid sized batteries and renewable energy in general.
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    1 month
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 01:20 AM

    Be nice if batteries gave you an economical option to disconnect entirely from the grid but the cost involved there would be prohibitive I imagine, even if was a viable option they would probably invent a sun tax!

    They did for me, for 20 years.
  • Hilly
    Hilly
    1 month
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 01:20 AM

    Be nice if batteries gave you an economical option to disconnect entirely from the grid but the cost involved there would be prohibitive I imagine, even if was a viable option they would probably invent a sun tax!

    Quoting obisteve on 09 Apr 2025 09:47 AM

    They did for me, for 20 years.

    Could still do that now but most wouldn't be able to handle the scale back on electronic gizmos to fit in with the capacity. PB is generating more than he uses, should be bankable even if they don't give you anything for it.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    1 month
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 01:20 AM

    Be nice if batteries gave you an economical option to disconnect entirely from the grid but the cost involved there would be prohibitive I imagine, even if was a viable option they would probably invent a sun tax!

    Funny you should say that.....In 2025, New South Wales is set to become the first state to charge solar owners a two-way tax for energy exported to the grid during peak times. Ausgrid and Endeavour Energy said they will introduce the Sun Tax on July 1, 2025. South Australia may follow suit soon after.
  • Hilly
    Hilly
    1 month
    Air tax next then 😳
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    29 days ago
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 01:20 AM

    Be nice if batteries gave you an economical option to disconnect entirely from the grid but the cost involved there would be prohibitive I imagine, even if was a viable option they would probably invent a sun tax!

    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Apr 2025 11:38 AM

    Funny you should say that.....In 2025, New South Wales is set to become the first state to charge solar owners a two-way tax for energy exported to the grid during peak times. Ausgrid and Endeavour Energy said they will introduce the Sun Tax on July 1, 2025. South Australia may follow suit soon after.

    Not sure how much they get for a feed in tarrif but its fuck all down here in Vic so no point in feeding back to the masses.  I'm about to go new panels, inverter and batteries and do not plan to send anything back to the grid, its just not worth it really.
  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    29 days ago
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 01:20 AM

    Be nice if batteries gave you an economical option to disconnect entirely from the grid but the cost involved there would be prohibitive I imagine, even if was a viable option they would probably invent a sun tax!

    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Apr 2025 11:38 AM

    Funny you should say that.....In 2025, New South Wales is set to become the first state to charge solar owners a two-way tax for energy exported to the grid during peak times. Ausgrid and Endeavour Energy said they will introduce the Sun Tax on July 1, 2025. South Australia may follow suit soon after.

    Quoting tussuck on 10 Apr 2025 02:34 AM

    Not sure how much they get for a feed in tarrif but its fuck all down here in Vic so no point in feeding back to the masses.  I'm about to go new panels, inverter and batteries and do not plan to send anything back to the grid, its just not worth it really.

    it is a pretty shit game to play, charge us for helping the grid in peak times, helping at any time really.
    imagine the kaos if we all isolated our solar from the grid, the shortfall would cause a mess.
    If we are not careful over night, we use the grid a couple hours early in the morning at our lowest electricity consumption, so if I know I may need the grid, I could turn the grid feed on until I get up, the battery charges before exporting to the grid so I can switch it back off again before they get any.
    the whole point of people getting solar (besides the great feed in tariff) was to help take the load off the grid
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    29 days ago
    Agree..... This is just simple greed by a couple of power companies.  Obviously they have paid off the local pollys so no noise at the federal level.  

    We need 4 corners to have a good gander and make this an election issue, esp if the buggers are going to put batteries on the table.  Maybe the entire thing is to get us onto batteries.

    I do wonder now if batteries will come down in price given USA has done a hauri kauri to themselves with the million % Chinese taxes.   I woudl expect China to divert a surplus to other shores now and at a discount!  (that should be the final straw for that cowboy ripoff battery dikhead in Townsville way!)
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    29 days ago
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 12:39 PM

    Air tax next then 😳

    Cant pay that one but Surfers has a view tax.....true story!
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    29 days ago
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 01:20 AM

    Be nice if batteries gave you an economical option to disconnect entirely from the grid but the cost involved there would be prohibitive I imagine, even if was a viable option they would probably invent a sun tax!

    Quoting paulybronco on 09 Apr 2025 11:38 AM

    Funny you should say that.....In 2025, New South Wales is set to become the first state to charge solar owners a two-way tax for energy exported to the grid during peak times. Ausgrid and Endeavour Energy said they will introduce the Sun Tax on July 1, 2025. South Australia may follow suit soon after.

    Quoting tussuck on 10 Apr 2025 02:34 AM

    Not sure how much they get for a feed in tarrif but its fuck all down here in Vic so no point in feeding back to the masses.  I'm about to go new panels, inverter and batteries and do not plan to send anything back to the grid, its just not worth it really.

    Its 10c for the first 10kw then 5c for the remainder of the day with AGL
  • obisteve
    obisteve
    29 days ago
    Quoting Hilly on 09 Apr 2025 12:39 PM

    Air tax next then 😳

    The air tax is waiting for Musk's Mars colony, whack a meter on your nose and charge you for breathing.
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