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Stock 110 Valve Lift

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Been doing a bit of digging about what these stock springs can handle, there is a lot of contradictory information floating about.
    I found a Harley document that gave the max lift after the the guide upgrade in 08 at no more than .595.
    One head porter in the states claimed that coil bind would occur at .680 and they had a safe lift of .640 although he didn't recommend it.
    Also found a video that I will link below  on stock 110 valve lift from Tman, they have a .625 lift cam that is a bolt in for the 110!
    That is above what Harley say and for that matter quite a few others.
    If my hearing is serving me right in the video he said the clearance between the top hat and seal was .695 and coil bind was .745!
    That would mean a .637 lift cam in theory would have a clearance of .058" when open and be over .100" off coil bind.
    Hope this works.
    https://www.facebook.com/100157792180/videos/vb.100157792180/10152823764087181/?type=2&theater
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    6 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 04 Sep 2019 10:15 AM

    Been doing a bit of digging about what these stock springs can handle, there is a lot of contradictory information floating about.

    I found a Harley document that gave the max lift after the the guide upgrade in 08 at no more than .595.
    One head porter in the states claimed that coil bind would occur at .680 and they had a safe lift of .640 although he didn't recommend it.
    Also found a video that I will link below  on stock 110 valve lift from Tman, they have a .625 lift cam that is a bolt in for the 110!
    That is above what Harley say and for that matter quite a few others.
    If my hearing is serving me right in the video he said the clearance between the top hat and seal was .695 and coil bind was .745!
    That would mean a .637 lift cam in theory would have a clearance of .058" when open and be over .100" off coil bind.
    Hope this works.
    https://www.facebook.com/100157792180/videos/vb.100157792180/10152823764087181/?type=2&theater

    Hilly he does say water cooled head...are the perhaps different to the std head perhaps?
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    6 years ago
    I suppose in the end, it's what you want out of your motor & what sort of miles you are doing. using stock valve springs to maximum lift possible. they won't last long. but using stock springs that can handle those lifts. but with stock lift cam. they will last a long time.
    my sporty set up to take 650 lift but am using a 560 lift set of cam's as I just want to ride a lot, not have to keep pulling it down.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Fella's there is no confusion as to what heads Brandon has in the video, latest version of the stock twin cam 110 CVO heads, same clearances applie to the water cooled version he said.
    The video is what it is, I've not measured clearance on mine so no first hand corroboration from me.
    He obviously had the seal off for the coil bind test and the springs out to measure top hat to seal but it got me wondering what others have found?
    Reason being a mate of mine ran .637" lift cams in his stock CVO softail, it was a dog under 3000rpm as you would expect being later inlet closing cam but it suffered no mechanical issues prior to him taking them out, when he told me about it I was puzzled and started looking.
    Tman specify there 625 cam for the stock CVO 110 as a bolt in cam, it is a .625" lift cam, hence the video.
    I have no idea if the stock springs would hold up for any length of time but in the litigious U S of A you would be a game individual to recommend your product if it was not fit for purpose.
    Hoody you pretty much said what I believed about .600" lift, that was one of the factors in me picking a .590" cam, now it seems a bit up in the air. They way Harley change supplier's without part number changes make knowing who's springs they are an unknown, well to me anyway.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    He was told to put them in, he isn't that mechanical, then he put 555's in, took them out as well, when I met him the 255's were back in it, I did a road tune for him a couple of years ago, he loves it.
    So the video is bullshit then?
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Yep understand all that, no argument here, no he wasn't told that it needed more comp until he was talking to me about it recently, I didn't know he had had them fitted, not gunna name names but his advisor really should of known better, give you a ring about my heads soon, don't want to waste your time until I have the coin to get them done but a plan is a start I guess.
    Thanks for the interest Hoody.
    Cheers.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    I'm self employed Hoody, I get it. Man's got a make living, if he can do that doing something he loves then he is also blessed.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    6 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 06 Sep 2019 01:50 AM

    I'm self employed Hoody, I get it. Man's got a make living, if he can do that doing something he loves then he is also blessed.

    Very true gents, we see it on this very forum from people who believe they should be highly paid for their jobs but cry rip off when required to pay for goods or services.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    I was considering fitting AV&V .650" double springs myself and let the heads be what they are, I have most of the tools and the skill set to do that barring the installed height mic and seal installer which can be had for not a lot of dollars but that still leaves all the other 110 head issues there in the wings, I don't have reamers and cutters nor a press let alone the know-how to address the ports, sure I could do some blending and minor clean-up stuff but that would most likely just make me feel good without any noticeable performance gains, takes me awhile to sort stuff in my head so I'm happy with a decision, end of the day if you want something done properly you need to get someone that knows what they are doing to do it and pay them, the way I see it is you agree on a plan, the work gets done, the man gets paid, everyone is happy.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    That pretty much makes my point, I don't have 30 years left either lol, can't teach experience Hoody. Try and call you on Monday when I finish the run.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Thanks for chat yesterday Hoody, much appreciated, looked up valve spring testers, I can see why you like the one you have and even it's potential replacement, but seeing as this might well be the only heads I ever play with as to me it's not even a hobby I'm going to use one like this, will check it's calibration but it will have to do.

  • speedzter
    speedzter
    6 years ago



  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Thanks for the vid speedster.
    Copy that on both counts Hoody.
    Dunno why I thought I needed the mic, maybe because I like little tools and got tunnel vision, I'm a fitter and turner by trade and an inside caliper didn't even occur to me, early dementia perhaps :)