Manual primary chain adjusters/ stage 3-4 upgrades

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  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    6 years ago
    A friend recently completely ruined his engine cases on a lowrider S with the 117  upgrade. He bought the bike new with the upgrade. Luckily he took out extended warranty and it is fixed.
    He said at the time he bought the bike fitting a manual primary chain adjuster with the upgrade was not usually done.
    Seems it is now a recommended practice for stage 3-4 upgrades as the automatic primary tensioners can ratchet up too tight and cause damage.
    Had a stage 4 kit put in my bike a few years ago now, and just looked at the invoice.....no manual primary chain adjuster in there according to it. So plan to take the cover off to confirm this before more riding.
    I might have come down in the last shower and be broadcasting old news, however I bet there are lots of bikes out there as well with the stage upgrades and still running the auto tensioners.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    6 years ago
    FC, What was the cause of your mate's engine failure?
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    6 years ago
    Automatic primary chain tensioner ratcheting up too tight.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    So what tensioner do they recommend? If it's this one I wish you well with the noise.
    Best option I've seen to date is to drill and tap the original tensioner so you can set it and lock it and still have a bit of spring movement, no noise and doesn't ratchet up, it is as hard as hell though and takes a bit of drilling, been meaning to do it to mine.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    6 years ago
    Thanks Fc sorry I was confused and thought he had a manual adjuster installed. 
    This is good to know. My 117 kit was installed by the dealer when new in 2017 so I’ll look into this. 

    Cheers. 
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    6 years ago
    You would think that Hayden would make something like the M6 tensioner we use on Evos.
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    6 years ago
    Grease Monkey.
    Yes that is the type I was looking at in the shop the other day. Only bought the primary gasket as I wan't to be sure which type mine is fitted with first.
    Was not aware that they are noisy?
    How often do you generally need to manually adjust them?.

    Fatbat
    I have looked to buy a Lowrider S with the 117 upgrade. The guy had the receipt for the work and there was no manual adjuster fitted to that one.
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    6 years ago
    How often do you need to tension it up and how do you know when the chain is at the right tension?.
    Cheers
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    FC I can't speak for everyone that has used one of the SE adjusters, in my case it was horrendous, I loaned it to a mate, he fitted it, laughed and sent it back, I initially used it when they first made them, 2012? Not sure, my mate used it this year, heap of blokes in the west got into them when they came out, some said noisy some said not, did read that if your runout is good on both sprockets and you use a new chain they are ok but I have no personal experience there.
    Hoody did not mention noise so I'm guessing he has none.
  • Gnoo
    Gnoo
    6 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 30 May 2019 02:56 AM

    You would think that Hayden would make something like the M6 tensioner we use on Evos.

    They do.,, been running an M6 on my twin cam for years.
  • AJ56
    AJ56
    6 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 30 May 2019 02:56 AM

    You would think that Hayden would make something like the M6 tensioner we use on Evos.

    Quoting Gnoo on 30 May 2019 06:24 AM

    They do.,, been running an M6 on my twin cam for years.

    I have been using the M7/6 on mine for about 5 years maybe longer.  Make a hell of a difference
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    6 years ago
    What are M6 M7 ones?
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    6 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 30 May 2019 09:17 AM

    What are M6 M7 ones?

    Google 'hayden' primary chain tensioner.  They have been around since the Evo days and are bloody awesome.
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    6 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 30 May 2019 09:17 AM

    What are M6 M7 ones?

    Quoting tussuck on 30 May 2019 09:31 AM

    Google 'hayden' primary chain tensioner.  They have been around since the Evo days and are bloody awesome.

    Put a Hayden Tensioner on my Glide years ago, is fine still, but only a cam etc. up grade.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 30 May 2019 09:17 AM

    What are M6 M7 ones?

    Quoting tussuck on 30 May 2019 09:31 AM

    Google 'hayden' primary chain tensioner.  They have been around since the Evo days and are bloody awesome.

    Quoting Baloffski on 30 May 2019 11:28 AM

    Put a Hayden Tensioner on my Glide years ago, is fine still, but only a cam etc. up grade.

    Big torque can bugga the aftermarket tensioners that have springs, lots of happy campers out there though.
    Couple of pics of the stocker that has been modified.


  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    6 years ago
    Greaseman, good shots of mod. 2012, well that says good things.

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Another option to the SE adjusters, don't know if it is any different in the noise department.

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    In my case it was a very loud growling whir, I cannot stress the loud bit enough, I would of run it as a drag bike but not as a road bike, my chain was good, crank was good, have not tried it on my current bike.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Jeez Hoody I don't know for sure but it didn't make that racket with the original tensioner even though it was bent on the bottom and it didn't make a noise with the newer stock one I replaced it with, I put it down to chain on material and harmonics, oil was fine, the bike, 06 Dyna, did another 50k afterwards with no primary issues before I sold it.
    The other bloke that used the SE unit put it in an 08 CVO Dyna, same deal, LAF. He modded his stock one like in the photo, think he was happy with that.
  • carbon fibre
    carbon fibre
    6 years ago
    I have 2 new SE manual adjusters in my shed, been there since they were released. Same reasons as Hilly.
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