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  • fatbat
    fatbat
    6 years ago
    Hilly I reckon the tts and other similar tuning modules are good for self tuning of the ve and changing some other not so complex tables. But it’s not easy self tuning ignition timing which becomes an issue when we use some of the cams we use. A few bikes ago I really wanted to tune my bike myself using the tts. It was a 107 top end build with s&s 585 cams. I read the tts manual over and over, and researched the hell out of how to do it. No matter how much I tried I couldn’t get the ignition timing right in some parts of the tune. Funnily enough I also had more issues with running rich than I did lean.  I bit the bullet and had it properly tuned and from then on I always use a pro to do it on a dyno until the developers provide an easy to use ignition timing wizard or similar which I thought Steve cole was working on a while back before focus shifted to the m8, it’s tuning product and his cams 
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Quoting fatbat on 08 May 2019 11:06 AMedited: 08 May 2019 11:07 AM

    Hilly I reckon the tts and other similar tuning modules are good for self tuning of the ve and changing some other not so complex tables. But it’s not easy self tuning ignition timing which becomes an issue when we use some of the cams we use. A few bikes ago I really wanted to tune my bike myself using the tts. It was a 107 top end build with s&s 585 cams. I read the tts manual over and over, and researched the hell out of how to do it. No matter how much I tried I couldn’t get the ignition timing right in some parts of the tune. Funnily enough I also had more issues with running rich than I did lean.  I bit the bullet and had it properly tuned and from then on I always use a pro to do it on a dyno until the developers provide an easy to use ignition timing wizard or similar which I thought Steve cole was working on a while back before focus shifted to the m8, it’s tuning product and his cams 

    I hear what you are saying, I will measure the CCP and see where it's at, had a good chat on the phone yesterday with someone that knows and had a few things explained to me cam wise, to be honest I had not thought my engine fell into the category he spoke of, seems I've underestimated it and under cammed it.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Quoting fatbat on 08 May 2019 11:06 AMedited: 08 May 2019 11:07 AM

    Hilly I reckon the tts and other similar tuning modules are good for self tuning of the ve and changing some other not so complex tables. But it’s not easy self tuning ignition timing which becomes an issue when we use some of the cams we use. A few bikes ago I really wanted to tune my bike myself using the tts. It was a 107 top end build with s&s 585 cams. I read the tts manual over and over, and researched the hell out of how to do it. No matter how much I tried I couldn’t get the ignition timing right in some parts of the tune. Funnily enough I also had more issues with running rich than I did lean.  I bit the bullet and had it properly tuned and from then on I always use a pro to do it on a dyno until the developers provide an easy to use ignition timing wizard or similar which I thought Steve cole was working on a while back before focus shifted to the m8, it’s tuning product and his cams 

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 08 May 2019 09:11 PM

    I hear what you are saying, I will measure the CCP and see where it's at, had a good chat on the phone yesterday with someone that knows and had a few things explained to me cam wise, to be honest I had not thought my engine fell into the category he spoke of, seems I've underestimated it and under cammed it.

    Actually I won't be checking CCP, bloody battery just gave up the ghost, these HD ones are only lasting me about 2 years now, that includes my wideglide that I rode 5 days a week before some smart arse says ride it more, I reckon that's pretty shit.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    6 years ago
    Bugger. I don't ride as often as you and bikes stay in a colder climate but I use a tender and batteries seem to last longer. I reckon a humid environment stuffs everything quicker. 
    Keep us in the loop about your bike and progress. It's true compression will be interesting.  Would like to here the info about under camming it too if possible 
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    198psi front and back, about 8psi higher than what I thought it would be based on the calculator working backwards from the 32H's when they were in it. Seems you can't do it that way, bugga.

  • speedzter
    speedzter
    6 years ago
    Quoting fatbat on 08 May 2019 11:06 AMedited: 08 May 2019 11:07 AM

    Hilly I reckon the tts and other similar tuning modules are good for self tuning of the ve and changing some other not so complex tables. But it’s not easy self tuning ignition timing which becomes an issue when we use some of the cams we use. A few bikes ago I really wanted to tune my bike myself using the tts. It was a 107 top end build with s&s 585 cams. I read the tts manual over and over, and researched the hell out of how to do it. No matter how much I tried I couldn’t get the ignition timing right in some parts of the tune. Funnily enough I also had more issues with running rich than I did lean.  I bit the bullet and had it properly tuned and from then on I always use a pro to do it on a dyno until the developers provide an easy to use ignition timing wizard or similar which I thought Steve cole was working on a while back before focus shifted to the m8, it’s tuning product and his cams 

    Quoting Grease Monkey on 08 May 2019 09:11 PM

    I hear what you are saying, I will measure the CCP and see where it's at, had a good chat on the phone yesterday with someone that knows and had a few things explained to me cam wise, to be honest I had not thought my engine fell into the category he spoke of, seems I've underestimated it and under cammed it.

    The never ending search for the "holy grail" of Cam choice .
    I know we've seen the TR590xx cams produce decent results in the states, and I'm sure you've seen
    the recent post on HTT with TR625's in a 110 with heads doing 126hp/132tq.
    Not sure how they do it ??
    Another point, Harley's own 117 kit uses the SE259
    So I wouldn't sign off on the Cams just yet.

    The 110 heads really benefit from some intake seat/valve work.
    Some reading I had bookmarked :

  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Thanks mate, I have read that before and I believe for a few years after that was considered the way to go, however I have spoken to the fellow Dewy sold his business to and over time better ways have been found, he was quite candid about it but I'm really not in the game for any major headwork, springs maybe, truly not chasing a max effort, I would just like it to be a happy well tuned beasty, if a different cam set would make it a nicer package all round then I would consider it. Seems I could run a 50 IVC but all the other numbers still come into play.
  • Daggs
    Daggs
    6 years ago
    and when all those parameters do match up correctly the result is very satisfying!
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Fella's I picked these cams and other parts because of where I wanted the giddyup and what has worked for others in the past, I followed the cam manufacturers recommendation for compression, I traded emails with him, he had nothing to gain by recommending them as I didn't buy the cams from him.
    I gotta emphasise that I'm not unhappy with how it goes. Remember that was a 4th gear run on a day that the shop owner said the numbers would all be lower, I'm told if it was run in 6th it would pull a higher number but again that's not what I'm on about, could it be better? Probably, the tune could be better for sure, I'm open to explore the options but that don't mean I'm off to the shop to buy a heap of new stuff, not without good reason anyway as it's no dog.
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    6 years ago
    The ride to get there is half the fun !
    This and your "new bike" thread have been about the best posts on here for a long time !
    Thanks for putting it out there Hilly :-)

    And Hoody, If you get some time, I'm sure we would all like to read your write up on Cams.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Thanks cobber.
    Second that on the Hoody write up.
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Haha, well I'll be buggered, never know what's on the net aye.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    6 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 03 Jun 2019 01:39 AM

    Haha, well I'll be buggered, never know what's on the net aye.

    I can’t get good internet now so watching videos is a no go until I get home. Are you and your slim in the video, monkey?
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    6 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 03 Jun 2019 01:39 AM

    Haha, well I'll be buggered, never know what's on the net aye.

    Quoting fatbat on 03 Jun 2019 02:00 AMedited: 03 Jun 2019 02:00 AM

    I can’t get good internet now so watching videos is a no go until I get home. Are you and your slim in the video, monkey?

    He walked past my bike, I didn't see me though, my bike result is on top of that list.
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