running in a new motor

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  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    I reckon this has been asked before but whats your opinion on running in a new engine?
    Forum police need not to tell me to use the seaech button.
    Thanks
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 21 Mar 2019 11:17 AM

    I reckon this has been asked before but whats your opinion on running in a new engine?
    Forum police need not to tell me to use the seaech button.
    Thanks

    You picked it in advance........LOL  Dont baby it , vary the load and throttle and don't lug the motor. Short full throttle burst ok 
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    If I want to hear from an arsehole I just fart.
    But thanks anyway pauly
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 21 Mar 2019 11:46 AM

    If I want to hear from an arsehole I just fart.
    But thanks anyway pauly

    Ha Ha just hold it at full throttle then....or use the search bar if your clever enough
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    5 years ago
    Bb, have you considered taking it to a reputable dyno tuner and having it run in on the dyno? They can monitor data as they go, ensure it has a reasonably suitable tune and afterwards they can tune it proper. 
  • brash
    brash
    5 years ago

    Don't baby it but don't cane it either.... that's about it in one sentence.

    Ring "seating" is done a lot sooner than you think, the first 50km's are probably the most important.

    I agree dyno best place to run in a new donk, however your average bloke who has just picked up his new bike from the dealership this wont apply to. Just enjoy your new bike!

  • tussuck
    tussuck
    5 years ago
    I always change the oil and filter at the 100 km mark as the majority of metal shavings will be out and about by then.  I do not use Harley oil for running in either, just a good quality 5L pack from Supercheap as its getting flushed in a 100km anyway.
  • Nutty
    Nutty
    5 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 22 Mar 2019 01:45 AM

    I always change the oil and filter at the 100 km mark as the majority of metal shavings will be out and about by then.  I do not use Harley oil for running in either, just a good quality 5L pack from Supercheap as its getting flushed in a 100km anyway.

    Good advice Tuss.  Do 200-300km, riding between 2-3000rpm on quality 20W-50 MINERAL oil.  Don't lug it, don't rev it past 4000rpm. Change oil and filter. In with the good oil/filter and Wynns Friction Proof. Send the old filter for OA. 
     
    Running bikes in on an engine-dyno requires a run-in dyno program and can take hours. I've never seen a proper run-in done on a chassis dyno ever. 
  • robots
    robots
    5 years ago
    I accidentally put synthetic in just recently for breakin and all fine. Dropped it at 500km. Have 6000kms done now and all good.
    Ride the thing and bit by bit take the rpm up, change oil filter as suggested but then can take these filters out to 16000kms and just do hot oil changes.
  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    5 years ago
    I run the engine in on my new bike in December by riding normal though Canberra, keeping revs 2.5 to 3 k so I never labored the motor
    then hit the highway 1500ks home 120KPH, 4th, 5th and 6th
    then down to Adelaide (400K's) for the first service

    the bike even appeared to run better after that service, I don't know what they did but it was good
  • steelo
    steelo
    5 years ago
    Its amazing Mr soapy. I know they only change the fluids and or plugs (every 8K) when I get a service but it always feels and runs better
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    HD shop gets your bike in a box, puts it together, tech test rides it....unless you put it together yourself and you are the test pilot the rings are already bedded or not when you ride it out the door, no expert here but I'm told that due to different metallurgical compositions than years past it all happens pretty quick. Recently read from an engine builder that it is a waste of time heat cycling as well, better to just ride it.
  • brucefxdl
    brucefxdl
    5 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 30 Mar 2019 11:00 PM

    HD shop gets your bike in a box, puts it together, tech test rides it....unless you put it together yourself and you are the test pilot the rings are already bedded or not when you ride it out the door, no expert here but I'm told that due to different metallurgical compositions than years past it all happens pretty quick. Recently read from an engine builder that it is a waste of time heat cycling as well, better to just ride it.

    agree gm,and welcome back,been on the tools a long time and yes things have changed,construction/materials used,better machining quality control and oil capabilities pretty well ensure easier and better " run in period ". service intervals on a lot of brands have been streched out to make the most of todays engines and oils.
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 30 Mar 2019 11:00 PM

    HD shop gets your bike in a box, puts it together, tech test rides it....unless you put it together yourself and you are the test pilot the rings are already bedded or not when you ride it out the door, no expert here but I'm told that due to different metallurgical compositions than years past it all happens pretty quick. Recently read from an engine builder that it is a waste of time heat cycling as well, better to just ride it.

    Quoting brucefxdl on 31 Mar 2019 02:13 AM

    agree gm,and welcome back,been on the tools a long time and yes things have changed,construction/materials used,better machining quality control and oil capabilities pretty well ensure easier and better " run in period ". service intervals on a lot of brands have been streched out to make the most of todays engines and oils.

    Thanks for the input fellas. The engine I am trying to run in is an old Globe 5 cylinder air motor. (not a bike motor)
    The bores look like they came straight off the lathe without any honing or crosshatching or anything.
    I was wondering what would be the best way to run it in cos I cant find a book for it. Cheers
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    In that case beages I've got nothin.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 02 Apr 2019 09:44 AM

    In that case beages I've got nothin.

    LOL maybe we should have been on the Globe air motor site not the Harley site....Funny shit, you missed this Hilly?
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    The Globe motor has been manufactured using old school technology. Just like all motors were manufactured back in the day. (The design is at least 50 years old)
    Perhaps I should have been more specific on the type of motor but I was keen to hear peoples opinions anyway.
    So the new question is how did they run in motors back in the day before cross hatch honing and you beaut oils etc.
    We have destroyed 3 brand new motors in the past month and we don't know why. At 9 grand a pop its something I would like to get my head around.
    When we pull them apart the rings look brand new but there is heavy scoring on the cylinders.
    Is this new question allowed Pauly?  And can you stop typing LOL? You come across like a teenage girl
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 03 Apr 2019 07:03 AM

    The Globe motor has been manufactured using old school technology. Just like all motors were manufactured back in the day. (The design is at least 50 years old)
    Perhaps I should have been more specific on the type of motor but I was keen to hear peoples opinions anyway.
    So the new question is how did they run in motors back in the day before cross hatch honing and you beaut oils etc.
    We have destroyed 3 brand new motors in the past month and we don't know why. At 9 grand a pop its something I would like to get my head around.
    When we pull them apart the rings look brand new but there is heavy scoring on the cylinders.
    Is this new question allowed Pauly?  And can you stop typing LOL? You come across like a teenage girl

    LOL at your final comment.
    What do you recommend when someone’s great comment does make you laugh out loud.
    Maybe GTWH, gee that was humerus. 
    Is that the correct spelling or is it humorous, LOL, oops.
  • steelo
    steelo
    5 years ago
    Sorry to her BB. Didn't they used to inject oil into the cylinders through the plug hole and cycle the pistons a couple times before adding fuel and spark. Sounds like the damage is being done before it even takes a breath on its own.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting beaglebasher on 03 Apr 2019 07:03 AM

    The Globe motor has been manufactured using old school technology. Just like all motors were manufactured back in the day. (The design is at least 50 years old)
    Perhaps I should have been more specific on the type of motor but I was keen to hear peoples opinions anyway.
    So the new question is how did they run in motors back in the day before cross hatch honing and you beaut oils etc.
    We have destroyed 3 brand new motors in the past month and we don't know why. At 9 grand a pop its something I would like to get my head around.
    When we pull them apart the rings look brand new but there is heavy scoring on the cylinders.
    Is this new question allowed Pauly?  And can you stop typing LOL? You come across like a teenage girl

    Quoting Ratbob on 04 Apr 2019 08:36 AM

    LOL at your final comment.

    What do you recommend when someone’s great comment does make you laugh out loud.
    Maybe GTWH, gee that was humerus. 
    Is that the correct spelling or is it humorous, LOL, oops.

    LOL, sorry Ha Ha.....LOL
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