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  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 04 Mar 2019 08:38 AMedited: 04 Mar 2019 08:41 AM

    40 years on and off. But I fit the classic description of highest risk rider. Age 40-59. Been off the bike for twenty years, and back on for twelve months. And now bought the one classic style of bike that 40-59 year olds have the most accidents on, a bagger. It arrives tomorrow. And in four weeks I'm taking it to Sydney.

    Quoting paulybronco on 04 Mar 2019 09:01 AM

    Well here's some suggestions....do an advanced riders course just to get the hand eye co ordination and the theory of  what your doing . And relax! Enjoy your bike, be alert not alarmed. You dont have to mico dissect every area of a bike that may kill you, head out into the countryside and don't fear that the odds may claim you. Can you point me in the direction of the bagger stats would love to see the article

    Quoting Moss on 04 Mar 2019 10:20 AM

    Good advice. The advanced riders course is on the list. I also spend a fair bit of time practicing small maneuvers in vacant car parks, and looking at rider skills courses on YouTube.  MCRider , Jerry palladino and FastEddy . I can't find where I read about older males and baggers/cruisers.  And I can't find any data supporting it. All I can find is the TAC data on males 40-59 being the largest risk group

    https://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/summaries/motorcycle-crash-data/motorcyclist-age-group-and-gender-data

    I guess its your apparent phobia, and constant reference that bikes will kill you thought that baggers are somehow even less unsafe than say a fatboy perhaps? I note that you have discretely added the word "cruisers" to your answer.  Anyway knock yourself out with the current national list, cursory flick through shows death on a bike does not age discriminate.
  • Jay-Dee
    Jay-Dee
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 03 Mar 2019 11:13 AM

    philosophical theory as to why some riders may have less accidents 

    Understanding
    why you ride is essential to evaluating your behaviour as a rider, and therefore your risk profile and accepting your chances of an accident. I am tired of hearing the stock platitudes "There are two types of rider, those who have gone down and those who haven't yet gone down"  or  'Everyone drops the bike or has an accident at some stage, what makes a rider is his ability to get back on" I have a theory that possibly explains why some riders never have had or will have an accident. 

    Experience and skill can help you avoid serious trouble in real time, as the accident unfolds. Not panicking on the front brakes, being prepared to lean harder into a corner using counter steer, while focusing on the point where you want the bike to go, or knowing when to drop the bike at the optimum time in a low-side slide. Experience also builds up a wealth of subliminal knowledge of possible traffic hazards which helps avoid accidents  and conditions you to longer periods of concentration to be able to act on that knowledge and store new experiences.

    Humans are innately concerned with their survival and act in those interests , and in our down time our brains like the effects of Dopamine , and encourage us seek activities that generate dopamine. Some people are fortunate enough to get it through being an athlete, while others get it through risk taking, and the lazy get it through drug use, or gambling or sexual perversions. My theory is that we fall into the risk taking category. We understand the risk of two wheels, we are used to being different in some way socially, we value the reward over the risk and we accept the calculation, we are not afraid of standing out from the crowd, we value our individuality and our independence. We also know that people in our circles benefit from our presence and company. because we are happy when we ride, and come back home, everyone benefits.

    Understanding your enjoyment of dopamine, can help you understand why you ride. My theory is if you treat the motorcycle like a pharmacist , you can modulate your dopamine levels, and gain the maximum enjoyment from life. If you over use it then your risk taking increases in order for your brain to get the same effect. 


     

    Quoting Far Canal on 04 Mar 2019 10:07 AM

    I have never seen a stranger post than this on this forum.
    "Treat the motorcycle like a pharmacist" ?.
    I'd rather treat my pharmacist like a motorcycle.


    Quoting paulybronco on 04 Mar 2019 11:07 AM

    Lovely earings dont you think?

    She's wearing earings?
  • keith
    keith
    5 years ago
    Quote source removed.


  • steelo
    steelo
    5 years ago
    That bloke had just dropped his boy off st school. He didn’t know he’d be saying “bye son” again so soon. 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting steelo on 04 Mar 2019 09:59 PM

    That bloke had just dropped his boy off st school. He didn’t know he’d be saying “bye son” again so soon. 

    BOOM BOOM!
  • Moss
    Moss
    5 years ago
    Quote source removed.
    The rolling B-double gathers no Moss either. Good tip.
  • Moss
    Moss
    5 years ago
    Just got the news my Road King has arrived from QLD and is getting a RWC. I haven't seen it, nor ridden it. And only ever ridden one Harley a Street Glide 103 for a day last month. And I am taking it to Sydney on the 28th of this month. I tick all the boxes for Rider at Fault. Hence the thread. It seems I am making every rookie  mistake and at the same time it seems like it's a dealt hand. Have to play the hand as dealt. Kings over 8's , and not Aces over 8's hopefully. 
    I'll be taking the good advice I got here and just take it slow and easy. Let the Moss gather and live. 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 05 Mar 2019 01:23 AMedited: 05 Mar 2019 01:24 AM

    Just got the news my Road King has arrived from QLD and is getting a RWC. I haven't seen it, nor ridden it. And only ever ridden one Harley a Street Glide 103 for a day last month. And I am taking it to Sydney on the 28th of this month. I tick all the boxes for Rider at Fault. Hence the thread. It seems I am making every rookie  mistake and at the same time it seems like it's a dealt hand. Have to play the hand as dealt. Kings over 8's , and not Aces over 8's hopefully. 
    I'll be taking the good advice I got here and just take it slow and easy. Let the Moss gather and live. 

    Just settle petal and savour it. Do you worry this much over heart disease, diabetes, or the myriad of other things that may kill you? The way your going i think you want to crash to prove the statisticians correct!
  • Moss
    Moss
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 05 Mar 2019 01:23 AMedited: 05 Mar 2019 01:24 AM

    Just got the news my Road King has arrived from QLD and is getting a RWC. I haven't seen it, nor ridden it. And only ever ridden one Harley a Street Glide 103 for a day last month. And I am taking it to Sydney on the 28th of this month. I tick all the boxes for Rider at Fault. Hence the thread. It seems I am making every rookie  mistake and at the same time it seems like it's a dealt hand. Have to play the hand as dealt. Kings over 8's , and not Aces over 8's hopefully. 
    I'll be taking the good advice I got here and just take it slow and easy. Let the Moss gather and live. 

    Quoting paulybronco on 05 Mar 2019 02:11 AM

    Just settle petal and savour it. Do you worry this much over heart disease, diabetes, or the myriad of other things that may kill you? The way your going i think you want to crash to prove the statisticians correct!

    dumb comment. 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 05 Mar 2019 01:23 AMedited: 05 Mar 2019 01:24 AM

    Just got the news my Road King has arrived from QLD and is getting a RWC. I haven't seen it, nor ridden it. And only ever ridden one Harley a Street Glide 103 for a day last month. And I am taking it to Sydney on the 28th of this month. I tick all the boxes for Rider at Fault. Hence the thread. It seems I am making every rookie  mistake and at the same time it seems like it's a dealt hand. Have to play the hand as dealt. Kings over 8's , and not Aces over 8's hopefully. 
    I'll be taking the good advice I got here and just take it slow and easy. Let the Moss gather and live. 

    Quoting paulybronco on 05 Mar 2019 02:11 AM

    Just settle petal and savour it. Do you worry this much over heart disease, diabetes, or the myriad of other things that may kill you? The way your going i think you want to crash to prove the statisticians correct!

    Quoting Moss on 05 Mar 2019 04:02 AM

    dumb comment. 

    Matches topic
  • leachy
    leachy
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 03 Mar 2019 11:13 AM

    philosophical theory as to why some riders may have less accidents 

    Understanding
    why you ride is essential to evaluating your behaviour as a rider, and therefore your risk profile and accepting your chances of an accident. I am tired of hearing the stock platitudes "There are two types of rider, those who have gone down and those who haven't yet gone down"  or  'Everyone drops the bike or has an accident at some stage, what makes a rider is his ability to get back on" I have a theory that possibly explains why some riders never have had or will have an accident. 

    Experience and skill can help you avoid serious trouble in real time, as the accident unfolds. Not panicking on the front brakes, being prepared to lean harder into a corner using counter steer, while focusing on the point where you want the bike to go, or knowing when to drop the bike at the optimum time in a low-side slide. Experience also builds up a wealth of subliminal knowledge of possible traffic hazards which helps avoid accidents  and conditions you to longer periods of concentration to be able to act on that knowledge and store new experiences.

    Humans are innately concerned with their survival and act in those interests , and in our down time our brains like the effects of Dopamine , and encourage us seek activities that generate dopamine. Some people are fortunate enough to get it through being an athlete, while others get it through risk taking, and the lazy get it through drug use, or gambling or sexual perversions. My theory is that we fall into the risk taking category. We understand the risk of two wheels, we are used to being different in some way socially, we value the reward over the risk and we accept the calculation, we are not afraid of standing out from the crowd, we value our individuality and our independence. We also know that people in our circles benefit from our presence and company. because we are happy when we ride, and come back home, everyone benefits.

    Understanding your enjoyment of dopamine, can help you understand why you ride. My theory is if you treat the motorcycle like a pharmacist , you can modulate your dopamine levels, and gain the maximum enjoyment from life. If you over use it then your risk taking increases in order for your brain to get the same effect. 


     

    Quoting Far Canal on 04 Mar 2019 10:07 AM

    I have never seen a stranger post than this on this forum.
    "Treat the motorcycle like a pharmacist" ?.
    I'd rather treat my pharmacist like a motorcycle.


    Quoting paulybronco on 04 Mar 2019 11:07 AM

    Lovely earings dont you think?

    I didnt notice she was wearing any until you mentioned it
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Quoting Moss on 05 Mar 2019 01:23 AMedited: 05 Mar 2019 01:24 AM

    Just got the news my Road King has arrived from QLD and is getting a RWC. I haven't seen it, nor ridden it. And only ever ridden one Harley a Street Glide 103 for a day last month. And I am taking it to Sydney on the 28th of this month. I tick all the boxes for Rider at Fault. Hence the thread. It seems I am making every rookie  mistake and at the same time it seems like it's a dealt hand. Have to play the hand as dealt. Kings over 8's , and not Aces over 8's hopefully. 
    I'll be taking the good advice I got here and just take it slow and easy. Let the Moss gather and live. 

    You'll be right Mr Moss.
    If one thinks about how dangerous bikes are, well it seems they are pretty dangerous.
    As soon as you start riding one though the fun factor pushes all those doubts away.
    Just keep your eyes on the road and your hands upon the wheel, and let it roll baby roll. (Doors)
    Oh yeah, enjoy your road king.
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Yes, the night time is for the pharmacist.
  • bloodog
    bloodog
    5 years ago
    I'm a mad cunt on a bike and have to give my self an uppercut from time to time. 
    Saying that I have never dropped a road bike ( touch wood ) I now ride a Rocker with a stage 3 and flat bars ( not the best handling of bikes )
    This has slowed me down heaps, seen plenty of bike offs, one time coming home from a wedding with the family through chain of ponds SA. A lad had come off nasty, we were the first to attend, He told me he had to piss his pants. I advised him to hold it until the ambulance arrived. On the way home my son asked me why I had told him this, I explained incase he had ruptured internal parts he would piss into his body and do a lot of damage. 15 years later my son had a bad get off on his bike and found him self in the same position, the doctor told him this may have saved his life. 
    Yep  " ride like every thing is trying to kill you"
  • Timmy
    Timmy
    5 years ago
    I think unnecessary overtaking is the main thing I see other riders doing which puts them at high risk. Just wait until the traffic stops and then go to the front of the queue, it’s not a bloody race, we aren’t all playing Cannonball Run!!! I saw a 1%er risking becoming a 0%er today. Mate he had some close calls!!! You can’t ride bad forever without coming unstuck. Sometimes I think some motorcyclists think that’s how they’re supposed to ride ... you know monkey see monkey do.  
  • Soapbox2627
    Soapbox2627
    5 years ago
    We have a group of 4 lads on there bikes that think they can do as they please, 3 on trail bikes and 1 on the sports bike, all 4 still displaying the "L" plate
    they cut in and out, ride side by side, drag off from the lights and generally run amuck, these guys will have an off soon, they could be on in all in.
    tonight I was sat on a red, the other way, one of them cuts across less than 20 feet from the line in front of a car, then has the gaul to flip of the car, he will be a statistic real soon
  • Wideglider
    Wideglider
    5 years ago
    Quoting Soapbox2627 on 05 Mar 2019 12:05 PM

    We have a group of 4 lads on there bikes that think they can do as they please, 3 on trail bikes and 1 on the sports bike, all 4 still displaying the "L" plate
    they cut in and out, ride side by side, drag off from the lights and generally run amuck, these guys will have an off soon, they could be on in all in.
    tonight I was sat on a red, the other way, one of them cuts across less than 20 feet from the line in front of a car, then has the gaul to flip of the car, he will be a statistic real soon

    Yes, again proves my point in my earlier post about the 'moron factor'. Risk is not a fixed statistical number, it is dynamic, the moron increases it.
  • Moss
    Moss
    5 years ago
    Don't worry I won't be negatively affecting your premium.  You can relax about that.
  • Moss
    Moss
    5 years ago
    Quote source removed.
    Agree. Maturity is a non quantifiable advantage. If someone is flipping off cars they are not in the right head space for the streets.  I once saw a young rider kick the driver side door of a car. I assume he was young. What's past is past. Staying in that zone of the next 3 seconds requires discipline and maturity.
  • Moik
    Moik
    5 years ago
    Note on side of old speedway outfit in Birdswood museum, "There are bold riders and there are  old riders, but there no old bold riders."
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