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  • JBONE
    JBONE
    5 years ago
    Hi Team,
    I currently have a 2014 Streetbob stage 1 at 45,000km. I love it but up in the air because i would like some more power but only like the Dyna's. I have a qoute drafted up for the below;
    S&S 89cc Heads with high lift valve springs & oversize valves
    S&S 107” Big bore cylinders with forged dome piston kit
    S&S 635 H.O. Easy Start chain drive cams, higher lift & higher HP
    S&S Adjustable pushrod kit, with covers & gaskets
    Horsepower Inc. 55mm throttle body, Flow bench-tested and dyno-proven

    Including labor from a Harley Dealer I was quoted $9,000. At 45,000km should I just sell my Streetbob and pay the difference for a low rider S? I would love to run my streetbob to the ground though but how many is to many KMs? If I do that many changes to the engine is it essentially almost a new engine? 

    Cheers
  • John.R
    John.R
    5 years ago
    What are 120S/R worth these days? Ive seen em for around 8k but not sure how they stack up to your options. Worth considering though.
  • Ken in Cairns
    Ken in Cairns
    5 years ago
    Do the 107 kit, send ur heads to Mark Hood in Adelaide. He quoted me $ 1500 to do bigger valves and springs, head machining and porting, the 1500 also included the 55 mm inlet. I wasnt' going crazy big on the valves just one size up from stock.
    Personally I don't like adjustable pushrods, something else to go wrong, and it just adds weight to yhe valvetrain
    And id the heads arw coming off you arr not really saving any time, but are addibg complexity and cost.

    Good luck with whatever you decide, but I would give Mr Hood a call and have a chat to him :)
    Cheers Ken 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Ken in Cairns on 18 Feb 2019 04:01 AM

    Do the 107 kit, send ur heads to Mark Hood in Adelaide. He quoted me $ 1500 to do bigger valves and springs, head machining and porting, the 1500 also included the 55 mm inlet. I wasnt' going crazy big on the valves just one size up from stock.

    Personally I don't like adjustable pushrods, something else to go wrong, and it just adds weight to yhe valvetrain
    And id the heads arw coming off you arr not really saving any time, but are addibg complexity and cost.

    Good luck with whatever you decide, but I would give Mr Hood a call and have a chat to him :)
    Cheers Ken 

    Agree with the adjustables, they have been known to loosen
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    5 years ago
    Avoid the Harley dealer and find a good independant shop.
    Also not a fan of the 635HO cams.

    I think the "stage 6" kit must be a Rollies special.
    Ring them for a price on the kit, so you'll know what the labour is.
    Keep in mind the dealer gets a discount on the kit as well.

    Nothing wrong with adjustable pushrods !
    And with the power increase, you still have the greater potential for Crankshaft issues.
  • JBONE
    JBONE
    5 years ago
    Quoting speedzter on 18 Feb 2019 05:16 AMedited: 18 Feb 2019 05:19 AM

    Avoid the Harley dealer and find a good independant shop.
    Also not a fan of the 635HO cams.

    I think the "stage 6" kit must be a Rollies special.
    Ring them for a price on the kit, so you'll know what the labour is.
    Keep in mind the dealer gets a discount on the kit as well.

    Nothing wrong with adjustable pushrods !
    And with the power increase, you still have the greater potential for Crankshaft issues.

    Sorry I should have said the labour was included in the $9,000. If not the 635HO cams what would you recommend? 
    Judging from the current response I may as well stick with my Streetbob but play around with what I should do with the engine. 
     
  • steelo
    steelo
    5 years ago
    Cripes mate.  What you should do is enjoy what you've got. Not saying it's you but we get em (new members) all the time on this forum. Not even an intro. Tell everyone about how they want the earth for their big bike upgrade and then spend everyone's time nickel and diming. Good luck if you decide to do anything at all. From my experience with other members misfortune, these upgrades burn patience and money.
  • JBONE
    JBONE
    5 years ago
    Quoting steelo on 18 Feb 2019 05:36 AM

    Cripes mate.  What you should do is enjoy what you've got. Not saying it's you but we get em (new members) all the time on this forum. Not even an intro. Tell everyone about how they want the earth for their big bike upgrade and then spend everyone's time nickel and diming. Good luck if you decide to do anything at all. From my experience with other members misfortune, these upgrades burn patience and money.

    I have enjoyed what i have got! Every Km to 45,000 I want to run it to the ground. I think my main question is when does a lot of KM stack up? when do most problems occur? Should I sell the love of my life and get something with less kms or will updating the engine give me some more time with her. 
  • Baloffski
    Baloffski
    5 years ago
    Mate, just RAM her till she runs raged. Nothing wrong with taking it to the wire aye....You want more, well ,, the acid ran out in the 70"s......
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    5 years ago
    Quoting speedzter on 18 Feb 2019 05:16 AMedited: 18 Feb 2019 05:19 AM

    Avoid the Harley dealer and find a good independant shop.
    Also not a fan of the 635HO cams.

    I think the "stage 6" kit must be a Rollies special.
    Ring them for a price on the kit, so you'll know what the labour is.
    Keep in mind the dealer gets a discount on the kit as well.

    Nothing wrong with adjustable pushrods !
    And with the power increase, you still have the greater potential for Crankshaft issues.

    Quoting JBONE on 18 Feb 2019 05:24 AM

    Sorry I should have said the labour was included in the $9,000. If not the 635HO cams what would you recommend? 

    Judging from the current response I may as well stick with my Streetbob but play around with what I should do with the engine. 
     

    What I was getting at is subtract the stage 6 kit price from the $9k quote so you know what the actual labour cost
    is that they are charging.
    I'm guessing it includes a full Dyno tune ?
    Either way it sounds expensive for what's involved.

    Just found this kit on ebay, good price and 625 Cams:
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Don’t know if you’ve ridden the low rider S but they’re a totally different beast. The 110’s a tourque machine and from the sound of it you like revs and power, the 110’s pretty much done at 4,500 rpm, not saying it’s a slow bike but you ride em differently.
    If you’re going to do the work, do it thoroughly and ask Mark Hood and others about what’s needed for the throttle body, exhaust, crank, primary, clutch, moving to mags so you’re not snapping spokes etc, 



  • Lushy
    Lushy
    5 years ago
    If you are going to do all that to it put a 62mm throttle body on it, or at least 58mm, so it can get some air...
  • Daggs
    Daggs
    5 years ago
    And you’ll have to do something with your clutch, there’s different ways to go there
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    5 years ago
    And update the flux capacitor while your there as well.
  • robots
    robots
    5 years ago
    you would want to be riding a lot over 3500rpm if putting that in. 130km/hr upwards for a lot of the time to be worth while.
    if you only passing a b-double every now and again then think about putting 9k into it and maybe stick with a cam (done 45000kms with stage 1)

    the kms you can get out of your current bike is really unlimited, have to do the service work when it comes up in service manual. fluids, bearings, parts etc. yes you will get things that wear out/fail and will need to be replaced

    its an internal combustion engine, very basic


  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 18 Feb 2019 08:36 AM

    And update the flux capacitor while your there as well.

    Hey Tussuck, your flux capacitor got me thinking, Jbone could bolt on a Trask turbo, get Lushy to tune it up. They’re said to be good for 150hp.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    5 years ago
    Quoting JBONE on 18 Feb 2019 02:32 AM

    Hi Team,

    I currently have a 2014 Streetbob stage 1 at 45,000km. I love it but up in the air because i would like some more power but only like the Dyna's. I have a qoute drafted up for the below;
    S&S 89cc Heads with high lift valve springs & oversize valves
    S&S 107” Big bore cylinders with forged dome piston kit
    S&S 635 H.O. Easy Start chain drive cams, higher lift & higher HP
    S&S Adjustable pushrod kit, with covers & gaskets
    Horsepower Inc. 55mm throttle body, Flow bench-tested and dyno-proven

    Including labor from a Harley Dealer I was quoted $9,000. At 45,000km should I just sell my Streetbob and pay the difference for a low rider S? I would love to run my streetbob to the ground though but how many is to many KMs? If I do that many changes to the engine is it essentially almost a new engine? 

    Cheers

    Your engine build idea may likely produce significantly better performance than a stock Dyna LRS, even in stage 1/2/3 trim.  Keep that in mind with your expectations.

    The LRS is reasonably torquey out of the box but it's a lazy, low compression engine.  To get similar performance to what you've proposed with the top end build, you'd need to spend a similar amount of money, although the LRS already has reasonable heads.  If you ever upgraded a LRS, the advantage is you can go up to 117ci cylinders.

    You could save money on your proposed engine build by choosing your piston type and having your oem cylinders bored out to 107 specification and cylinder heads milled, ported and with bigger valves.  A good, custom head job may achieve better results than off the shelf s&s heads.  The suggestion of contacting Mark Hood might be worthwhile for this type of machine work.

    I like the LRS because it's unique and has some features not available in other, older dynas such as cruise control, twin disc front brakes, abs, upgraded factory suspension etc.  Just don't expect it to go like a rocket out of the box.

  • tussuck
    tussuck
    5 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 18 Feb 2019 08:36 AM

    And update the flux capacitor while your there as well.

    Quoting Ratbob on 19 Feb 2019 01:34 AM

    Hey Tussuck, your flux capacitor got me thinking, Jbone could bolt on a Trask turbo, get Lushy to tune it up. They’re said to be good for 150hp.

    Now your talking!  Turbos will always blow away cubic inches!
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    5 years ago
    Quoting tussuck on 18 Feb 2019 08:36 AM

    And update the flux capacitor while your there as well.

    Quoting Ratbob on 19 Feb 2019 01:34 AM

    Hey Tussuck, your flux capacitor got me thinking, Jbone could bolt on a Trask turbo, get Lushy to tune it up. They’re said to be good for 150hp.

    Quoting tussuck on 19 Feb 2019 04:25 AM

    Now your talking!  Turbos will always blow away cubic inches!

    And possibly the rest of the bike :)
  • JBONE
    JBONE
    5 years ago
    Hi Team,
    Just thought I would update you on this in case you guys we’re sitting on the edge of your seats. Thanks for all the advice. After a massive trip around Tasmania I could not part with my streetbob. I took her to Adam and the team at APL Windsor, Sydney. They managed to put out some great numbers at stage 3. Could not be happier!!! I get to keep my bike to pass it onto my first born and I get to do a few wheelies along the way.


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