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  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 06:39 AM

    Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks 

    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 07:20 AM

    Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words.  Is this a brand new install?

    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 10:38 PM

    Hi no done about 5000ks on it I think I’m going to get it dynoed at ApL at Windsor  when money allows they want $1000 but people seem to rate them 

    Dan what tuner do you run, most tuners allow a auto tune function that may help you a touch till you get a dyno custom tune...
  • Dan069
    Dan069
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 07:20 AM

    Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words.  Is this a brand new install?

    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 10:38 PM

    Hi no done about 5000ks on it I think I’m going to get it dynoed at ApL at Windsor  when money allows they want $1000 but people seem to rate them 

    Quoting paulybronco on 13 Jan 2019 07:58 AM

    Dan what tuner do you run, most tuners allow a auto tune function that may help you a touch till you get a dyno custom tune...

    Hi screaming eagle orange one it has been tuned by dealer who did work I think it is running fine just a little bit of pinging thanks 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 10:38 PM

    Hi no done about 5000ks on it I think I’m going to get it dynoed at ApL at Windsor  when money allows they want $1000 but people seem to rate them 

    Quoting paulybronco on 13 Jan 2019 07:58 AM

    Dan what tuner do you run, most tuners allow a auto tune function that may help you a touch till you get a dyno custom tune...

    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 06:03 PM

    Hi screaming eagle orange one it has been tuned by dealer who did work I think it is running fine just a little bit of pinging thanks 

    Dan sadly i run a power vision that i am able to select an autotune function with. This function generally knocks back the timing by a few degrees and assists with VE . I know that your S/E has the function but sorry unable to guide you through the process on that tuner. As most have stated pinging can destroy a motor very quickly if left unchecked. Were you given all the cables CD etc to your tuner to download the programme on to your computer?
  • Dan069
    Dan069
    5 years ago
    Quoting paulybronco on 13 Jan 2019 07:58 AM

    Dan what tuner do you run, most tuners allow a auto tune function that may help you a touch till you get a dyno custom tune...

    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 06:03 PM

    Hi screaming eagle orange one it has been tuned by dealer who did work I think it is running fine just a little bit of pinging thanks 

    Quoting paulybronco on 13 Jan 2019 09:38 PM

    Dan sadly i run a power vision that i am able to select an autotune function with. This function generally knocks back the timing by a few degrees and assists with VE . I know that your S/E has the function but sorry unable to guide you through the process on that tuner. As most have stated pinging can destroy a motor very quickly if left unchecked. Were you given all the cables CD etc to your tuner to download the programme on to your computer?

    Hi all good it has auto tune a mate has cables and laptop but I’ve booked in for a 16000km service and dyno tune Monday week so hopefully doesn’t blow up I will post results when done thanks again everyone for your help 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 06:03 PM

    Hi screaming eagle orange one it has been tuned by dealer who did work I think it is running fine just a little bit of pinging thanks 

    Quoting paulybronco on 13 Jan 2019 09:38 PM

    Dan sadly i run a power vision that i am able to select an autotune function with. This function generally knocks back the timing by a few degrees and assists with VE . I know that your S/E has the function but sorry unable to guide you through the process on that tuner. As most have stated pinging can destroy a motor very quickly if left unchecked. Were you given all the cables CD etc to your tuner to download the programme on to your computer?

    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 10:27 PM

    Hi all good it has auto tune a mate has cables and laptop but I’ve booked in for a 16000km service and dyno tune Monday week so hopefully doesn’t blow up I will post results when done thanks again everyone for your help 

    Cheers Dan. Don't think it will blow up as such but sustained pinging can be very costly. Let us know how you fare
  • brash
    brash
    5 years ago
    Quoting robots on 13 Jan 2019 01:40 AM

    plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?

    you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

    basic internal combustion engines

    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 03:20 AM

    Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks 

    Quoting paulybronco on 13 Jan 2019 06:30 AM

    Any Sydney based boys able to assist with a tuner recommendation here....?

    LA cycles Hoxton Park.
    (02) 9608 3572
  • Dan069
    Dan069
    5 years ago
    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 03:20 AM

    Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks 

    Quoting paulybronco on 13 Jan 2019 06:30 AM

    Any Sydney based boys able to assist with a tuner recommendation here....?

    Quoting brash on 14 Jan 2019 05:21 AM

    LA cycles Hoxton Park.
    (02) 9608 3572

    Thanks brash booked in for next Monday for 16000 service and dyno tune $1050 so hopefully all good 
              
  • beaglebasher
    beaglebasher
    5 years ago
    Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 02:20 AMedited: 12 Jan 2019 02:43 AM

    Hi guys thanks for the reply’s the kit has10.5 pistons and se585cams and a heavy breather and a road rage 2 pipe and yes it only pings when I’m riding like a old woman and when under 110 km in 6 gear yes only bp 98 And yes if I go down a gear pinging goes away maybe I should just ride harder 

    There you go.  Next question
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    5 years ago
    Quoting robots on 13 Jan 2019 01:40 AM

    plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?

    you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

    basic internal combustion engines

    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 03:20 AM

    Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks 

    I will second Fat Bat, L A Cycles Hoxton Park would be my choice.  too.
    there is one good tuner in QLD, one good tuner in VIC & one good tuner in SA


  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Quoting robots on 13 Jan 2019 01:40 AM

    plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?

    you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

    basic internal combustion engines

    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 03:20 AM

    Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks 

    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 14 Jan 2019 08:40 AM

    I will second Fat Bat, L A Cycles Hoxton Park would be my choice.  too.

    there is one good tuner in QLD, one good tuner in VIC & one good tuner in SA


    there is one good tuner in QLD, one good tuner in VIC & one good tuner in SA

    Well that is bad news considering how many people must have had their bikes tuned at none of the above in those states.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 03:20 AM

    Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks 

    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 14 Jan 2019 08:40 AM

    I will second Fat Bat, L A Cycles Hoxton Park would be my choice.  too.

    there is one good tuner in QLD, one good tuner in VIC & one good tuner in SA


    Quoting Far Canal on 14 Jan 2019 09:14 AM

    there is one good tuner in QLD, one good tuner in VIC & one good tuner in SA

    Well that is bad news considering how many people must have had their bikes tuned at none of the above in those states.

    I understand what you mean but certainly we all know in life that there are tuners and TUNERS and mechanics and MECHANICS. These well known TUNERS at one time were just tuners and earned their right to be elevated to a higher level
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Did you get your bike tuned by the one good tuna in Queensland?
  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 14 Jan 2019 09:47 AM

    Did you get your bike tuned by the one good tuna in Queensland?

    hey FC , I should have said if you have an EFI bike and you want it to feel beautiful to ride. these guys know there stuff & have good set up's that cost's them a lot of money , not just to buy but also to keep in top condition & if your getting a full custom map it take a lot of time, so you need a sound proof room that also has good air intake and air vent to keep air quality safe, should also have air quality warning as, if not eventually will kill the operator!!
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 14 Jan 2019 09:47 AM

    Did you get your bike tuned by the one good tuna in Queensland?

    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 14 Jan 2019 09:28 PM

    hey FC , I should have said if you have an EFI bike and you want it to feel beautiful to ride. these guys know there stuff & have good set up's that cost's them a lot of money , not just to buy but also to keep in top condition & if your getting a full custom map it take a lot of time, so you need a sound proof room that also has good air intake and air vent to keep air quality safe, should also have air quality warning as, if not eventually will kill the operator!!

    Cheers Krash. When I got a stage 4 installed in my bike I was not happy with how it was running and got no dyno readout sheet with the job. Took the bike back for another crack at the tuning and still was not happy, AND no dyno sheet again.
    Then took the bike to an independent shop where I was allowed to watch the whole dyno tune (on a dyno with all the gear) and had explained to me what was going on. Took from memory about 4-5 hours, bike ran like it should have and got the dyno readout to boot.

    I guess what I was getting at is that if,  "there is one good tuner in QLD, one good tuner in VIC & one good tuner in SA", then there must be a lot of blokes who are getting bikes tuned at places that might not be so good, and that is bad if you have just spent a heap on upgrades and want the best out of them.

  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 14 Jan 2019 09:47 AM

    Did you get your bike tuned by the one good tuna in Queensland?

    Quoting Krash Kinkade on 14 Jan 2019 09:28 PM

    hey FC , I should have said if you have an EFI bike and you want it to feel beautiful to ride. these guys know there stuff & have good set up's that cost's them a lot of money , not just to buy but also to keep in top condition & if your getting a full custom map it take a lot of time, so you need a sound proof room that also has good air intake and air vent to keep air quality safe, should also have air quality warning as, if not eventually will kill the operator!!

    Quoting Far Canal on 15 Jan 2019 04:16 AM

    Cheers Krash. When I got a stage 4 installed in my bike I was not happy with how it was running and got no dyno readout sheet with the job. Took the bike back for another crack at the tuning and still was not happy, AND no dyno sheet again.
    Then took the bike to an independent shop where I was allowed to watch the whole dyno tune (on a dyno with all the gear) and had explained to me what was going on. Took from memory about 4-5 hours, bike ran like it should have and got the dyno readout to boot.

    I guess what I was getting at is that if,  "there is one good tuner in QLD, one good tuner in VIC & one good tuner in SA", then there must be a lot of blokes who are getting bikes tuned at places that might not be so good, and that is bad if you have just spent a heap on upgrades and want the best out of them.

    FC i think there may be a small misunderstanding, there are plenty of good tuners in each state but certainly there are some individual standouts in each state. 
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Ok got it Pauly.
    However who would not want to use the standouts?.
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 15 Jan 2019 04:58 AM

    Ok got it Pauly.
    However who would not want to use the standouts?.

    Undoubtedly! Just remember that those standouts were once the guy down the road with a dyno...LOL 
  • Far Canal
    Far Canal
    5 years ago
    Well it must take a long time from to being a run of the mill,   "guy down the road with a dyno....LOL",   to reach the lofty heights of standout status!.
    Gives me the shits, whoever makes dynos  should sell them with a way better instruction manual so the guys down the road know how to be standouts much quicker.
    I know there are good and bad operators in any field but in dynoland the good are lonely.


  • perthhog
    perthhog
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 15 Jan 2019 08:42 AM

    Well it must take a long time from to being a run of the mill,   "guy down the road with a dyno....LOL",   to reach the lofty heights of standout status!.
    Gives me the shits, whoever makes dynos  should sell them with a way better instruction manual so the guys down the road know how to be standouts much quicker.
    I know there are good and bad operators in any field but in dynoland the good are lonely.


    This where you guys get this wrong it’s not the dyno that tunes the bike the dyno is just a rolling rd
    Or another tool like a timing light   It’s the guy behind the keyboard or hand controller 
    That fully  understands the different settings in the software  to which bike/car has and than can translate that 
    Knowing what thay can and can’t do  plus a a lot experience in both the mechanics /computer side 
    That makes the difference between them some people are just better at it  like anything 
  • paulybronco
    paulybronco
    5 years ago
    Quoting Far Canal on 15 Jan 2019 08:42 AM

    Well it must take a long time from to being a run of the mill,   "guy down the road with a dyno....LOL",   to reach the lofty heights of standout status!.
    Gives me the shits, whoever makes dynos  should sell them with a way better instruction manual so the guys down the road know how to be standouts much quicker.
    I know there are good and bad operators in any field but in dynoland the good are lonely.


    Quoting perthhog on 15 Jan 2019 09:03 AM

    This where you guys get this wrong it’s not the dyno that tunes the bike the dyno is just a rolling rd

    Or another tool like a timing light   It’s the guy behind the keyboard or hand controller 
    That fully  understands the different settings in the software  to which bike/car has and than can translate that 
    Knowing what thay can and can’t do  plus a a lot experience in both the mechanics /computer side 
    That makes the difference between them some people are just better at it  like anything 

    Your absolutely right, the only thing is that there are no timing lights on late model HD any more the ECU is given a code to a new setting by the tuner. My power vision can do the same thing. The dyno provides/replicates real time loads that the tuner then compensates via the map reading timing, fuel , load, and throttle opening and makes a correction for. It is a black art.
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