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103 stage 3 pinging

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Dan069
5 years ago

Hi everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69

daddyracer56
5 years ago

are you using BP98 or caltex 98 , not shell , ?, bike needs a good dyno tune by the sound of it , or cam is to much cranking pressure down low for the comp ratio used, they should be able to pull some timing's out around this rev range if they know what there doing ?

fatbat
5 years ago

What’s the stage 3 kit? As in what compression, what cams? As mentioned it could be a combination of parts, fuel, timing, weather etc. A good dyno tune (not involving a dealer) will often eliminate detonation and make for a better ride all round

brash
5 years ago

just judging by the rpm range you stated, sounds like rocker arm slop. Always in that 400rpm band.

Ping/detonation is very distinctive noise, get out of it as soon as you hear it. The hot weather doesn't help things either.

If it's a dealer install, the maps they run are full of fuel and pretty conservative on the timing, unless you have upped the comp with a base gasket or something out of the ordinary. Every Screamin Budgy tune i've examined runs the fuel like a flat out garden hose.

robots
5 years ago

Try dropping down a gear and see if it’s goes,
Try upping VE table 3-4 pts in 2000-3000rpm, then adjust timing, your timing should pretty much be linear if plotted on graph

Also you can get crap fuel. I steer clear of small BP’s in country areas. Try to get at freeway outlet.

Dan069
5 years ago

Hi guys thanks for the reply’s the kit has10.5 pistons and se585cams and a heavy breather and a road rage 2 pipe and yes it only pings when I’m riding like a old woman and when under 110 km in 6 gear yes only bp 98 And yes if I go down a gear pinging goes away maybe I should just ride harder

robots
5 years ago

ok cool

Wideglider
5 years ago

Quoting daddyracer56 on 12 Jan 2019 12:27 AM
are you using BP98 or caltex 98 , not shell , ?, bike needs a good dyno tune by the sound of it , or cam is to much cranking pressure down low for the comp ratio used, they should be able to pull some timing's out around this rev range if they know what there doing ?

Why not Shell's hi-octane offering?

fatbat
5 years ago

Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 02:20 AMedited: 12 Jan 2019 02:43 AM
Hi guys thanks for the reply’s the kit has10.5 pistons and se585cams and a heavy breather and a road rage 2 pipe and yes it only pings when I’m riding like a old woman and when under 110 km in 6 gear yes only bp 98 And yes if I go down a gear pinging goes away maybe I should just ride harder

That cam's intake close timing is a bit early for 10.5 compression. It'd need a good tune. Most running 10.5 compression use cams with a later intake closing closer to 45 degrees.

paulybronco
5 years ago

Quoting Dan069 on 11 Jan 2019 09:47 PM
Hi everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69

More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...

Dan069
5 years ago

Quoting Dan069 on 11 Jan 2019 09:47 PM
Hi everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69

Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 05:34 AM
More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...

Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks

paulybronco
5 years ago

Quoting Dan069 on 11 Jan 2019 09:47 PM
Hi everyone just wanting some advice from all you knowledgeable people had a stage 3 screaming eagle kit put in my 17 wideglide all good except it pings between 2200 rpm and 3000 rpm been back to dealer same old story they all do it any advice would be welcome thanks Dan69

Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 05:34 AM
More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...

Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 06:39 AM
Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks

Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words. Is this a brand new install?

Dan069
5 years ago

Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 05:34 AM
More info please Dan, comp, cam, heads and was it a canned tune or did they dyno it...

Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 06:39 AM
Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks

Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 07:20 AM
Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words. Is this a brand new install?

Hi no done about 5000ks on it I think I’m going to get it dynoed at ApL at Windsor when money allows they want $1000 but people seem to rate them

Ratbob
5 years ago

Jeeze Dan, guess you know pinging can be caused by excessive heat exacerbated by a lean tune which in turn can burn holes in pistons and sieze engines. Fitting that kit without a tune is simple bravery or lunacy. Hopefully 5000k hasn’t already done some damage. Do it right or don’t do it mate.

brash
5 years ago

Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 06:39 AM
Hi Paul 10.5 comp se 585 cams stock heads with HD springs only canned map not dynoed yet thanks

Quoting paulybronco on 12 Jan 2019 07:20 AM
Dan i think the glaring clue is in the last 6 words. Is this a brand new install?

Quoting Dan069 on 12 Jan 2019 10:38 PM
Hi no done about 5000ks on it I think I’m going to get it dynoed at ApL at Windsor when money allows they want $1000 but people seem to rate them

I wouldn't let that guy tune my lawnmower, but the fanboys will come flocking. I won't divulge a whole lot, but I'm rebuilding a guys sporty who got the APL "climate control dyno tune" that turned the pistons into molten paperweights.

robots
5 years ago

plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?
you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

basic internal combustion engines

Dan069
5 years ago

Quoting robots on 13 Jan 2019 01:40 AM
plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?
you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

basic internal combustion engines

Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks

fatbat
5 years ago

Plugs may only show general fuel mix. You'd need to sample data all over and know what you're doing to detect and correct fuel mix issues at all rpms and manifold pressures.

Ditto for ignition timing which will be a big consideration for your bike with that cam and compression.

LA Cycles at hoxton Park has a good rep although I haven't used them. I believe they dyno tune

paulybronco
5 years ago

Quoting robots on 13 Jan 2019 01:40 AM
plugs show lean? timing mark? detonation on plug?
you can add fuel at VE table, check timing table if you can access your tune file

basic internal combustion engines

Quoting Dan069 on 13 Jan 2019 03:20 AM
Hi pulled plugs nice grey colour motor doesn’t run any hotter than any others does anyone have any recommendations for dyno tunning Sydney preferred central Coast thanks again for everyone’s feedback learning heaps thanks

Any Sydney based boys able to assist with a tuner recommendation here....?

robots
5 years ago

Unfortunately, never get to see just how bad peoples “canned” map is vs. dyno tune with so many of the tune files corrupted.
The license system Dynojet PV has introduced also a concern.

2000-3000rpm

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103 stage 3 pinging

103 stage 3 pinging

Dan069

daddyracer56

fatbat

brash

robots

Dan069

robots

Wideglider

fatbat

paulybronco

Dan069

paulybronco

Dan069

Ratbob

brash

robots

Dan069

fatbat

paulybronco

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