Why won't "cut and paste" work to the site any more ?
Trying to paste in the latest updates on my compensator "saga"
How can we compensate you PB?
Cut and paste she no workee for me. May be my computer BUT it works on other forums and elsewhere like email etc etc
Got home from the Indy shop today having taken out the 401000601 spring/sprocket pack. ( left the rotor that came with this pack in !)
Measured it up against the spring/sprocket pack from the 42200064A kit and it ( sliding cam ) was 90 thou/2.3 mm less "height/length" !!
One kit manufactured 6 months after the other , with of course "superceded parts" it would appear..
VERY careful reassembly , reamed out the old threads with a 9/16 tap to shift the old Loctite , spray with throttle body cleaner then compressed air ( all we had to hand )
Torque-o rama to 175 Ft/Lbs , Roadtest and CLUNK gone. No more snatching in gear and no rumble/clunk when throttling off.
Some whistling/chattering still (but I may be overthinking that now). Bike will now go into 6th at 85Km/H
Hopefully the whistling will settle or bed in , and I will change the oil again in 200 K's looking for swarf on the plug and metal gloss in the oil.
Well , 220 K's on , some in reasonably hot weather , I changed to primary oil ( again !) , and the extra powerful magnet sump plug ( S&S I believe) had just a few wee mini shards of metal , "normal" would be the diagnosis. Oil fairly clear of metallic sheen thankfully. I bought a bunch of those sump plugs from Rollies in QLD a few years back.
Changed from HD Formula+ to "Genuine Suzuki" fully synthetic Ecstar 10W40 as I had some left from servicing the last Japper ( GSX 1300 ) and wanted to try fully synthetic to see if any difference over the Formula+. Opinions vary on "what oil yada yada", but CVO's came from new with HD SYN 3 and I don't keep that on the shelf.
There is still I am assuming Spring pack noise , some fixes appear to be replacing the thin roller bearing with a new thicker Thrust washer from HD part # 6557.
I have that ordered from the local HD dealer , $14 it will stay on the shelf for now and I will see how I go.OR fit another small Belleville spring in the spring pack OR both !
Another stripdown to do all that of course , and I am trying to avoid that. I have reused the same primary gasket each build , seems to be holding up thankfully
A cooler day today , to be "only" 27C , perfect day for Harley riding actually ( apologies to those in the Northern hemisphere !). So it will get another wee test run
Thanks Hoodeng for that detailed help/reply
The idea of going "back" to the thick thrust washer came out of the US where a few have tried that.
Also the "extra" spring insert came from US Forum sources.
Chain alignment did cross my mind , but other than a good "visual check" where it all looked OK it was not measured.
The setup in your photo looks like the "original OEM" setup that I took out I think , where the springpack is part of the rotor effectively ?
What was different in the "slider cam" from both kits is the earlier kit had no machined grooves and was 90 thou "shorter" measured vertically
The slightly later kit ( 6 months !) had the machined Grooves and taller ( 90 thou 2.3mm) slider cam.
Quote : ALL CVO VEHICLES HAVE A NEW SLIDER CAM BUT DO NOT USE SHIMS
Quote : THESE CHANGES DO NOT APPEAR IN THE 2014 PARTS CATALOGS OR SERVICE MANUALS
(This is from scammed dealer service bulletins that kind folks in the US have pointed me in the direction of !)
I do believe that there have been 5 revisions of the SE Compensator over the last 5 or 6 years.
Trying to secure one of these from GMR Performance. These used to be available with the "Compensaver" aftermarket oiler system ( NLA sadly as a complete unit !)
This is to replace the 3 piece roller bearing that comes with the latest 2014 and up SE Compensator kits. This has been suggested as a source of my "whirring noise"
This quest of mine has turned up a trove of info but again the forum is not allowing my desktop to cut and paste , so sorry this link is being typed manually
Look at the drop down menu button titled "Study results thru August 2015"
www.compensaver.com
Link sorted I hope !
It is indeed and an very interesting read. I side very much with the author with most of his observations. I am soon to replace my s/eagle comp so this will be the 3rd in 70k of ownership. They are fully aware of the substandard parts that constantly fail but snub their noses at the rank and file that support their products.
Another primary strip down today. Chain and clutch basket/starter ring gear touching the inner primary since the last build.
Chain near the lower front as in the photos attached. What is it with that I ask ?
Put in the updated Genuine chain tensioner to see if that makes any difference
Part # 39929-06B Noticeably "thicker" in the base than the OEM original.
Could have put in the Screamin Eagle manual but decided not to. ( Hopefully correctly !)
Still spring pack and /or roller bearing noise from the compensator as suggested before now.
Can't locate a GMR performance composite washer sadly
