Thoughts on the SE110 motor?

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  • John.R
    John.R
    6 years ago
    Dont know much about the TCs so havent really been following the  ins and outs, but have been considering a TC for the next project. A take off SE 110 has popped up as an option. 
    How does the SE 110 stack up against other TCs? Are there any inherent issues? Does that motor have any improvements over regular 103s etc?, or just bigger pots?

    Itd be running a carb setup.
  • brash
    brash
    6 years ago

    Where do I start lol.

    I'd suggest reading the CVO forums first. Those guys have been figuring out the "niggles" with these engine for the last 10 year.

    The big one is Lifters, which in turn is caused by too heavy valve springs. The CVO cam (which is a SE255) profile creates insane CCP and cylinder pressure. It can create difficult starting. Speaking of which how are you going to toggle the ACR's? Manual release?

    I've killed 2 lifters in 8,000km's. Luckily before the needle bearings let go both times. But they made the dreaded "mouse screech" noise and a clacking on cold startup when they didn't pump the lifter up. The bike gets absolutely hammered though.

    Now because the lifter goes bad, you can starve the head of oil. Or the bearing in the lifter goes south, goes through the cam chest/oil pump and through the whole oiling system.

    The compression ratio is so low that a simple cam swap does not render the gains that you would expect from a regular 103. However there are some cams out there that do wake them up. But more targeted towards the heavier touring bikes.

    Still interested.....

    The good bits, the heads are decent. Bigger ports and as mentioned higher rate springs. Can make good power untouched but like anything can do with a tidy up.  

    The 255 cam is great in my opinion, I don't care what people say, any cam that's making 115ft lb at 3k rpm you can feel a good surge of grunt. It does sign off at 5k rpm but just click another cog and it's all good. Great for mountain carving.

    For a stock motor they are pretty stout, mines making 95/117 with just exhaust and tune. Enough for a high 11 at 108mph and will make mince meat out of a tyre in 1st and 2nd.

    Any other questions just ask, few of us have these 110's, I think I've been pretty unlucky with my ownership but others here have had years of fault free service.

  • R2D2
    R2D2
    6 years ago
    brash I'm not a great fan of the Twin Cams though this is the best factory motor from them, not counting the 120 and yes you've got to do a few little things to get them to stay strong ,but yea then they're a real good thing
    This motor is a good start that's all I'm saying probably the best starting point for a late model TC project .
    OP if a 110 engine has become available and you know it's history jump on it , and yea do the little things that these guys here know to make it bullet proof.
    It'll hammer go for it.
  • imoo6170
    imoo6170
    6 years ago
    Brash has pretty well covered it. Mainly lifters although some of the early 110's had oil leaks (2007 ish I think) - What year is the one you are looking at?
    Agree that the 255 cam is pretty good. I have a 2009 110, which has done 22,000 Klm problem free (touch wood) so far. Will probably look at getting S&S lifters over the next 12 months or so - my mechanic (non dealer) says about $1100 to $1300 fitted   
     
  • John.R
    John.R
    6 years ago
    Cheers for the responses guys. Story is the motor has done very very little work, was swapped out for a 120. Would he going in an FXR frame. 
    Just weighing up options of having the evo on my bench rebuilt vs getting somethin like the 110 straight off the bat. 

    And whether its okay to bolt straight in or if it needs work . Id be inclined to run as is and replace anything after runnin for a bit.

    Figured id definitely need manual CRs or a way to trigger the ACRs if such a system exists. 
  • Ratbob
    Ratbob
    6 years ago
    30k on my 2009 110, all good so far. 
    Have you thought about cosmetics, CVO 110’s usually have a granite finish on casings, fins etc not black or alloy. 
  • Ken in Cairns
    Ken in Cairns
    6 years ago
    My son in law had a 110 and up in FNQ it ran pretty hot so an oil cooler might be worth considering.
    I wonder if you can trigger the acr units via the ecm like the OEM ones.
    Someone here will know I'm sure.
    Good luck with it.
    Cheers 
    Ken 
  • brash
    brash
    6 years ago

    if its for FXR I'd just bite the bullet and go V111 and live on 2 minute noodles


    ACR's can be toggled via the tune, the whole issue was it wasn't actually doing anything hence the big 110ci recall.

  • R2D2
    R2D2
    6 years ago
    Quoting brash on 20 Aug 2018 02:51 AMedited: 20 Aug 2018 02:53 AM

    if its for FXR I'd just bite the bullet and go V111 and live on 2 minute noodles


    ACR's can be toggled via the tune, the whole issue was it wasn't actually doing anything hence the big 110ci recall.

    Didn't he say it'll be running a carb ?
    Is all the ECU stuff still available ?
  • Ken in Cairns
    Ken in Cairns
    6 years ago
    O yeah, missed that bit, my bad.
    Carb = no ECU, so yeah will need another option.

    Maybe a relay (with an off delay timer perhaps) off the started solenoid feed.

    Cheers
    Ken


  • brash
    brash
    6 years ago
    Quoting brash on 20 Aug 2018 02:51 AMedited: 20 Aug 2018 02:53 AM

    if its for FXR I'd just bite the bullet and go V111 and live on 2 minute noodles


    ACR's can be toggled via the tune, the whole issue was it wasn't actually doing anything hence the big 110ci recall.

    Quoting R2D2 on 20 Aug 2018 02:54 AM

    Didn't he say it'll be running a carb ?

    Is all the ECU stuff still available ?

    Just answering kens question. John is going to have to drill into the head for a manual CR. 
    Just more ammo for the v111 engine haha. 
  • John.R
    John.R
    6 years ago
    Not too concerned about cosmetics, as far as finish is concerned. 
    Im sure something could be setup for the acrs, worst case id go manual. Which isnt too bad.

    V111 option is over double the price at around 10k. Does include carb and ignition though. Ive thought about it but not at that budget just yet. But not that far off.

    Engine + 500usd adapters , 500 aud carb, 250usd for ignition etc
  • KiwiRob
    KiwiRob
    6 years ago
    Changing out the stock valve springs for AV&V beehive springs & some good aftermarket lifters, will take care of the valve-train problem. You can run the ACRs off the starter motor relay as someone has suggested.  - Rob
  • speedzter
    speedzter
    6 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 20 Aug 2018 03:41 AM

    Not too concerned about cosmetics, as far as finish is concerned. 

    Im sure something could be setup for the acrs, worst case id go manual. Which isnt too bad.

    V111 option is over double the price at around 10k. Does include carb and ignition though. Ive thought about it but not at that budget just yet. But not that far off.

    Engine + 500usd adapters , 500 aud carb, 250usd for ignition etc

    Are you planning on using the Thunder Heart ignition module ?
    I sourced one recently for a Harley-VW conversion, and it appears to work well, but it does lack the MAP or VOES sensor input.
    I run the ACR's of the horn switch on my Carb' 120 .
    Certain years of 110 had bad heads (07-08 i think) , but nothing that can't be fixed.
    Also think about a used 103 that you can build up to suit your riding style.

  • John.R
    John.R
    6 years ago
    That's the one Speedzter, seem to be pretty common among TC swaps for Evos.
    Good ideas re horn/relays etc to do the ACRs. Good to know its not that much of a hassle.


  • R2D2
    R2D2
    6 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 20 Aug 2018 06:06 AM

    That's the one Speedzter, seem to be pretty common among TC swaps for Evos.

    Good ideas re horn/relays etc to do the ACRs. Good to know its not that much of a hassle.


    Yea I spose you've just got to wire it in somewhere to git her done right.
    We used to do a bypass of the coil like that too with big inch and/or high comp Shovels and Evo's.
    It basically turned the motor over a few times and then the coil lit up so they had a little momentum and didn't pull the starter down when starting up.
    I've got the wiring diagram in my old PC I think.
  • John.R
    John.R
    6 years ago
    Motor in question is 2014ish, I think for the price ill be grabbing it.
  • Retroman
    Retroman
    6 years ago

    I have had my 2008 FXSTSSE2 110cube CVO Springer ( what a mouthful !) for 7 years now , absolutely trouble free to date.

    Stock OEM EVERYTHING bar the V&H Big Shot Staggered ( which would not have been my first choice but were on it in Central Texas in 2011 )

    The bike goes hard , and I like the 255 "spank" that comes as stock in all 110 CVO models.

    Now I am anal ( ain't we all !) with 4,000 Km oil and filter changes , Fully Synthetic oil and OEM "genuine" filters. Oil cooler fitted as soon as I got the bike to WA.

    Redline Heavy Shockproof gear oil in the 6 speed and Redline MTL in the primary drive. Tuned firstly with original up to 2008 SERT , now with Supertuner pro

    No hard revs while cold , no "burnouts" , all "revving" in the mid gears. Perth and WA are pure wanker with speed cameras so NO POINT in going harder here !

    Don't go all "environmental" on me Re the 4,000 K's oil changes , every two CVO drains the family shitbox gets the "good oil" haha for the next year.

    And yes the shitbox gets the recycled Redline heavy duty gear oil as well....

    Not a direct comparison I know , but my Springer would SPANK my mates 2011 Stage 4 "dyno tuned" Streetglide , and he had spent a fortune on all that !

    PS , good luck with the carb conversion and the ACR system...too hard basket for me I have to admit !! 

  • Krash Kinkade
    Krash Kinkade
    6 years ago
    Quoting John.R on 20 Aug 2018 03:41 AM

    Not too concerned about cosmetics, as far as finish is concerned. 

    Im sure something could be setup for the acrs, worst case id go manual. Which isnt too bad.

    V111 option is over double the price at around 10k. Does include carb and ignition though. Ive thought about it but not at that budget just yet. But not that far off.

    Engine + 500usd adapters , 500 aud carb, 250usd for ignition etc

    John , sounds like a good deal, have not kept up to date on TC's, but think if S&S easy start cams still out there, with a carb that's what I'd use & S&S premium lifters. I got them for my sporty build & same lifter fit TC. they were cheap from Hammer.
  • John.R
    John.R
    6 years ago
    Thats a good idea too Krash. 
    Obviously it'll be a bit of work, but ill suss it all out when its time. The ACRs dont sound too hard, wiring it to the starter relay is a brilliant idea. Ill probably get a staunch starter motor too help on that front. 

    Ill start a thread once the project starts. 
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