Transmission Fluid Migrating to Primary Issue - TA0022

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  • Neale
    Neale
    5 years ago
    Interesting .......my heritage 114 has 5,000 kms on her, checked it last weekend, nothing bad to report. All levels are correct.
    Am I alone on this?
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    Quoting Neale on 11 Oct 2019 07:21 AM

    Interesting .......my heritage 114 has 5,000 kms on her, checked it last weekend, nothing bad to report. All levels are correct.

    Am I alone on this?

    Its a tourer issue Neale, cable clutch don't do it, stopping the transfer is an easy fix anyway, Harley won't do it properly but a proper fix has been worked out for quite awhile, the only issue you may have is sumping, but to date I can't pin down a softail M8 that has even thought the MoCo admit they could. Or rather they did and now it never happened. Wouldn't put me off buying one of I was in the market.
  • Oz Dan
    Oz Dan
    5 years ago
    As above, it’s a hydraulic clutch issue only, so not applicable to M8 softails Neale. In regard to potential sumping, there is a new 8 lobe pump (MY20) which scavenges 40% better than the previous version......looks to be the winner so far. It’s available as a kit, part #62400247.......I’m getting it installed Monday at Wackers - haven’t had sumping issues,  purely preventative insurance. 
    PS - part number not listed on public HD website yet but dealers can look up and order ($226)......they have em in Sydney if anyone wants to get on board.
  • Neale
    Neale
    5 years ago
    Thanks guys.
  • awaba
    awaba
    5 years ago
    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.
    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose
  • Oz Dan
    Oz Dan
    5 years ago
    Quoting awaba on 12 Oct 2019 07:57 AM

    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.

    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose

    Mate I haven’t had transfer or sumping but I love my M8 king....I’m keeping it till I can’t stand up, which is why I’m doing proactive preventative maintenance .....after a fun twin cam, this is a wicked bit of kit which is miles ahead....and if it wasn’t for fn internet forums it would still be stock lol. But here we are.....I too have the Williams Mk11 and I’m doing the 8 lobe - I figure if it scavenges 44% better and I had no dramas with the original pump I gotta be gold with it.....I guess what I’m saying is there will be likely nothing to report.....didn’t have issues pre, surely won’t moving forward. 
  • Oz Dan
    Oz Dan
    5 years ago
    Quoting awaba on 12 Oct 2019 07:57 AM

    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.

    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose

    .....just answering here as I was asked.....anyhow, got my new pump fitted.....once they were in the cam chest, Wackers noticed excessive wear on the cam lobes and lifters, suspect pump maybe wasn’t doing it’s job as it should.......so I got the job done on my extended warranty, new cam and lifters fitted, although I still paid for the new pump......it still worked and it wasn’t certain it was the issue......and after all, Harley lifters have been crap for years.....I was just happy to have it done for under $200.....but for those with an original MY17 pump, it might be prudent to get the new 8 lobe fitted, especially if you’re adding a cam....
  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    Onya Dan, good you caught it before it started making metal.
  • Oz Dan
    Oz Dan
    5 years ago
    Quoting Grease Monkey on 19 Oct 2019 10:46 PM

    Onya Dan, good you caught it before it started making metal.

    My thought precisely.....would have gone bad before anything got better.
  • WideglidingNZ
    WideglidingNZ
    5 years ago
    Quoting Oz Dan on 11 Oct 2019 10:53 AMedited: 12 Oct 2019 12:29 AM

    As above, it’s a hydraulic clutch issue only, so not applicable to M8 softails Neale. In regard to potential sumping, there is a new 8 lobe pump (MY20) which scavenges 40% better than the previous version......looks to be the winner so far. It’s available as a kit, part #62400247.......I’m getting it installed Monday at Wackers - haven’t had sumping issues,  purely preventative insurance. 

    PS - part number not listed on public HD website yet but dealers can look up and order ($226)......they have em in Sydney if anyone wants to get on board.

    So hopefully these (MY20) 8 lobe pumps will be in the 2020 model Harley's?
  • Oz Dan
    Oz Dan
    5 years ago
    Quoting Oz Dan on 11 Oct 2019 10:53 AMedited: 12 Oct 2019 12:29 AM

    As above, it’s a hydraulic clutch issue only, so not applicable to M8 softails Neale. In regard to potential sumping, there is a new 8 lobe pump (MY20) which scavenges 40% better than the previous version......looks to be the winner so far. It’s available as a kit, part #62400247.......I’m getting it installed Monday at Wackers - haven’t had sumping issues,  purely preventative insurance. 

    PS - part number not listed on public HD website yet but dealers can look up and order ($226)......they have em in Sydney if anyone wants to get on board.

    Quoting WideglidingNZ on 20 Oct 2019 05:47 PM

    So hopefully these (MY20) 8 lobe pumps will be in the 2020 model Harley's?

    Yes they are
  • SquALeD
    SquALeD
    5 years ago
    Just an update on my trans transfer..
    Fucking thing sumped at Penong...Had to get RAC to Adelaide

    FML... Harley Heaven have it right now...Hire car to phillip island for me then a plane to perth ..fak!


  • Grease Monkey
    Grease Monkey
    5 years ago
    That sucks mate, any update? 
  • leachy
    leachy
    5 years ago
    Quoting SquALeD on 22 Oct 2019 11:24 AMedited: 22 Oct 2019 11:28 AM

    Just an update on my trans transfer..

    Fucking thing sumped at Penong...Had to get RAC to Adelaide

    FML... Harley Heaven have it right now...Hire car to phillip island for me then a plane to perth ..fak!


    Are Harley contributing to all your out of pocket expenses?
    Id be really pissed.

    Leachy  
  • steelo
    steelo
    5 years ago
    Very sorry to hear squaled!!
  • Oz Dan
    Oz Dan
    5 years ago
    Fuck sorry to hear that Squa....if you pulled up in good time likely no damage......would piss me off no end but you will get the new pump which we all hope will make this issue history. 
    All the best brother.
  • awaba
    awaba
    5 years ago
    Quoting SquALeD on 22 Oct 2019 11:24 AMedited: 22 Oct 2019 11:28 AM

    Just an update on my trans transfer..

    Fucking thing sumped at Penong...Had to get RAC to Adelaide

    FML... Harley Heaven have it right now...Hire car to phillip island for me then a plane to perth ..fak!


    Hope all is good SquALeD
    Hopefully you shut it down in time.

  • awaba
    awaba
    5 years ago
    Quoting awaba on 12 Oct 2019 07:57 AM

    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.

    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose

    Quoting Oz Dan on 19 Oct 2019 10:21 AMedited: 19 Oct 2019 10:23 AM

    .....just answering here as I was asked.....anyhow, got my new pump fitted.....once they were in the cam chest, Wackers noticed excessive wear on the cam lobes and lifters, suspect pump maybe wasn’t doing it’s job as it should.......so I got the job done on my extended warranty, new cam and lifters fitted, although I still paid for the new pump......it still worked and it wasn’t certain it was the issue......and after all, Harley lifters have been crap for years.....I was just happy to have it done for under $200.....but for those with an original MY17 pump, it might be prudent to get the new 8 lobe fitted, especially if you’re adding a cam....

    Thanks Oz Dan,I agree to fit the later oil pump,I have been suss on the original oil pump that was fitted in the 2017 107 for a while
  • Oz Dan
    Oz Dan
    5 years ago
    Quoting awaba on 12 Oct 2019 07:57 AM

    Be interested to see how the new pump goes Oz Dan.

    I have a 17 107 SGS and the original oil pump, from what I'm reading it is adequate,adequate isn't good enough really.
    I have the version 2 of the Williams rod and no sign of transfer since I fitted it and a dealer fitted primary vent,
    My bike had a history of transfer and the dealer fitted the vent at no cost to me so I thought why not,nothing to lose

    Quoting Oz Dan on 19 Oct 2019 10:21 AMedited: 19 Oct 2019 10:23 AM

    .....just answering here as I was asked.....anyhow, got my new pump fitted.....once they were in the cam chest, Wackers noticed excessive wear on the cam lobes and lifters, suspect pump maybe wasn’t doing it’s job as it should.......so I got the job done on my extended warranty, new cam and lifters fitted, although I still paid for the new pump......it still worked and it wasn’t certain it was the issue......and after all, Harley lifters have been crap for years.....I was just happy to have it done for under $200.....but for those with an original MY17 pump, it might be prudent to get the new 8 lobe fitted, especially if you’re adding a cam....

    Quoting awaba on 27 Oct 2019 03:01 AM

    Thanks Oz Dan,I agree to fit the later oil pump,I have been suss on the original oil pump that was fitted in the 2017 107 for a while

    I suspect you are quite right to be a little suss of the very first pump like I too had......my bike is running noticeably cooler and it’s much quieter. It also will return all the oil to the bag in under 30 seconds whereas before I’d have it idling for 2-3 minutes to get a proper oil level read.....
    And I’m yet to hear of a single MY20 bike sumping.... let’s hope this issue is dead with the MY20 pump.....
  • awaba
    awaba
    5 years ago
    Quoting Oz Dan on 19 Oct 2019 10:21 AMedited: 19 Oct 2019 10:23 AM

    .....just answering here as I was asked.....anyhow, got my new pump fitted.....once they were in the cam chest, Wackers noticed excessive wear on the cam lobes and lifters, suspect pump maybe wasn’t doing it’s job as it should.......so I got the job done on my extended warranty, new cam and lifters fitted, although I still paid for the new pump......it still worked and it wasn’t certain it was the issue......and after all, Harley lifters have been crap for years.....I was just happy to have it done for under $200.....but for those with an original MY17 pump, it might be prudent to get the new 8 lobe fitted, especially if you’re adding a cam....

    Quoting awaba on 27 Oct 2019 03:01 AM

    Thanks Oz Dan,I agree to fit the later oil pump,I have been suss on the original oil pump that was fitted in the 2017 107 for a while

    Quoting Oz Dan on 28 Oct 2019 03:12 AM

    I suspect you are quite right to be a little suss of the very first pump like I too had......my bike is running noticeably cooler and it’s much quieter. It also will return all the oil to the bag in under 30 seconds whereas before I’d have it idling for 2-3 minutes to get a proper oil level read.....

    And I’m yet to hear of a single MY20 bike sumping.... let’s hope this issue is dead with the MY20 pump.....

    Hopefully this new pump will cure the sumping.
    Where did you buy the later oil pump from?
    My motor seems to be noisy around the cam chest,hydraulic lifter area,perhaps fitting the later oil pump will cure that,I'm not sure
    I have already fitted the Screamin' Eagle SE8-447 cam a little over 12 months ago,so I could check the lifters etc while fitting the new oil pump.
    I take it the same cam plate etc can be used with the later pump?
    Thanks for any advice you can give me 
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