M8 Cams why so different to Twin Cams

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M8 Cams why so different to Twin Cams

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Adrian1200CA
6 years ago

Quoting R2D2 on 01 Aug 2018 01:32 AM
That's decent money with a service man , well done.
Post up your numbers when you get them dude, be good to see them.
Cheers.

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 06 Aug 2018 06:19 AM

Happy with this

Quoting 98fxstc on 07 Aug 2018 01:15 AM
What is the smoothing number in the top right corner ?
Have you got an AFR graph with that ?

5 is the number you asked for.
They didn't give me an AFR graph.

Krash Kinkade
6 years ago

Quoting R2D2 on 18 Jul 2018 10:39 AM
This is the cam I'm thinking of getting. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.hdforums.com-vbulletin/904x598/a8305bfb_af76_49a4_a42b_8b3afd9152e5_829ad83a2c696fcb5b891b14695e8dd3aedc2cb3.jpeg

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 18 Jul 2018 10:37 PM
Yeah I like the look of the red shift cam too but concerned about warranty issues. Cant seem to find them in Aus only in USA.

Adrian , L A Cycles Hoxton Park have a new M8 & Cow got Red Shift cam to try, has a few cams to try I think.
he has a nice Dyno Room too with DJ250i. but the plus is I'm hopping they take the bike to the Drags to back up the dyno numbers!! the M8 supposed to have better TQ that Twin Cam, from what Cow told me.

98fxstc
6 years ago

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 06 Aug 2018 06:19 AM

Happy with this

Quoting 98fxstc on 07 Aug 2018 01:15 AM
What is the smoothing number in the top right corner ?
Have you got an AFR graph with that ?

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 07 Aug 2018 03:01 AM
5 is the number you asked for.
They didn't give me an AFR graph.

Thankyou
just curious
haven't seen the lines that smooth before

Adrian1200CA
6 years ago

Quoting R2D2 on 18 Jul 2018 10:39 AM
This is the cam I'm thinking of getting. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.hdforums.com-vbulletin/904x598/a8305bfb_af76_49a4_a42b_8b3afd9152e5_829ad83a2c696fcb5b891b14695e8dd3aedc2cb3.jpeg

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 18 Jul 2018 10:37 PM
Yeah I like the look of the red shift cam too but concerned about warranty issues. Cant seem to find them in Aus only in USA.

Quoting Krash Kinkade on 07 Aug 2018 04:32 AM
Adrian , L A Cycles Hoxton Park have a new M8 & Cow got Red Shift cam to try, has a few cams to try I think.
he has a nice Dyno Room too with DJ250i. but the plus is I'm hopping they take the bike to the Drags to back up the dyno numbers!! the M8 supposed to have better TQ that Twin Cam, from what Cow told me.

Would have liked to go the Red Shift but Warranty was the issue as HD wouldn't and being the bike is only 6 months old didn't want to take the risk. Went to a Dyno shoot out at HD a while back and the winner was based on highest torque number which was 115 from memory which was a Softail with a shit load of money spent on it. So pretty happy with 111.88 for $1100. Pulls real good now.

Adrian1200CA
6 years ago

Quoting 98fxstc on 07 Aug 2018 01:15 AM
What is the smoothing number in the top right corner ?
Have you got an AFR graph with that ?

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 07 Aug 2018 03:01 AM
5 is the number you asked for.
They didn't give me an AFR graph.

Quoting 98fxstc on 07 Aug 2018 04:32 AMedited: 07 Aug 2018 04:33 AM
Thankyou
just curious
haven't seen the lines that smooth before

New to Dyno's so not sure what the smoothing means other than I assume it's a factor they can add to smooth out the graph. I puled out an old one from my sporty and they sued the same number then as well. I can say it pulls hard and is a lot more fun to ride.

Krash Kinkade
6 years ago

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 18 Jul 2018 10:37 PM
Yeah I like the look of the red shift cam too but concerned about warranty issues. Cant seem to find them in Aus only in USA.

Quoting Krash Kinkade on 07 Aug 2018 04:32 AM
Adrian , L A Cycles Hoxton Park have a new M8 & Cow got Red Shift cam to try, has a few cams to try I think.
he has a nice Dyno Room too with DJ250i. but the plus is I'm hopping they take the bike to the Drags to back up the dyno numbers!! the M8 supposed to have better TQ that Twin Cam, from what Cow told me.

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 07 Aug 2018 04:42 AM
Would have liked to go the Red Shift but Warranty was the issue as HD wouldn't and being the bike is only 6 months old didn't want to take the risk. Went to a Dyno shoot out at HD a while back and the winner was based on highest torque number which was 115 from memory which was a Softail with a shit load of money spent on it. So pretty happy with 111.88 for $1100. Pulls real good now.

can understand how you feel, I don't know about HD as I have never had to claim on any new HD I've owned ( touch wood ) but some manufacturer's say once you have motor modified, not under factory warranty. ( prob only if something major went wrong )
just thought I would mention as I have been around dyno's a while. if you set landscape you stretch out Graph and don't see dips as easy, if you use portrait you see the dips so can try to tune them out. that dyno printout at all below 5,000 set in landscape stretched out a lot.

98fxstc
6 years ago

Quoting Krash Kinkade on 07 Aug 2018 04:32 AM
Adrian , L A Cycles Hoxton Park have a new M8 & Cow got Red Shift cam to try, has a few cams to try I think.
he has a nice Dyno Room too with DJ250i. but the plus is I'm hopping they take the bike to the Drags to back up the dyno numbers!! the M8 supposed to have better TQ that Twin Cam, from what Cow told me.

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 07 Aug 2018 04:42 AM
Would have liked to go the Red Shift but Warranty was the issue as HD wouldn't and being the bike is only 6 months old didn't want to take the risk. Went to a Dyno shoot out at HD a while back and the winner was based on highest torque number which was 115 from memory which was a Softail with a shit load of money spent on it. So pretty happy with 111.88 for $1100. Pulls real good now.

Quoting Krash Kinkade on 07 Aug 2018 04:49 AMedited: 07 Aug 2018 04:51 AM
can understand how you feel, I don't know about HD as I have never had to claim on any new HD I've owned ( touch wood ) but some manufacturer's say once you have motor modified, not under factory warranty. ( prob only if something major went wrong )
just thought I would mention as I have been around dyno's a while. if you set landscape you stretch out Graph and don't see dips as easy, if you use portrait you see the dips so can try to tune them out. that dyno printout at all below 5,000 set in landscape stretched out a lot.

I have been around dynos a bit too
and I know about stretching them out
No dips at all is a bit surprising
also the wiggles in the lines give an indication of how good the timing is
No wiggles there at all
even at 10 smoothing I have not seen lines smoothed out that much
an hour and 40 minutes on the dyno is pretty good value for curves like that
and the runfiles go from 5 to 56
if the operator bumped them by 1 each time, that's a run every 2 minutes
tweak VE's, save the file and reload it each time
and I'm not even going to mention timing

Just curious

Adrian1200CA
6 years ago

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 07 Aug 2018 04:42 AM
Would have liked to go the Red Shift but Warranty was the issue as HD wouldn't and being the bike is only 6 months old didn't want to take the risk. Went to a Dyno shoot out at HD a while back and the winner was based on highest torque number which was 115 from memory which was a Softail with a shit load of money spent on it. So pretty happy with 111.88 for $1100. Pulls real good now.

Quoting Krash Kinkade on 07 Aug 2018 04:49 AMedited: 07 Aug 2018 04:51 AM
can understand how you feel, I don't know about HD as I have never had to claim on any new HD I've owned ( touch wood ) but some manufacturer's say once you have motor modified, not under factory warranty. ( prob only if something major went wrong )
just thought I would mention as I have been around dyno's a while. if you set landscape you stretch out Graph and don't see dips as easy, if you use portrait you see the dips so can try to tune them out. that dyno printout at all below 5,000 set in landscape stretched out a lot.

Quoting 98fxstc on 07 Aug 2018 05:48 AM
I have been around dynos a bit too
and I know about stretching them out
No dips at all is a bit surprising
also the wiggles in the lines give an indication of how good the timing is
No wiggles there at all
even at 10 smoothing I have not seen lines smoothed out that much
an hour and 40 minutes on the dyno is pretty good value for curves like that
and the runfiles go from 5 to 56
if the operator bumped them by 1 each time, that's a run every 2 minutes
tweak VE's, save the file and reload it each time
and I'm not even going to mention timing

Just curious

They charged me for 3 hours and not sure if they used them all but they did do 50k's as I check my OD before I dropped it off and again when I picked it up. Only $370 for the Dyno and happy with the outcome as it is smooth to ride and the acceleration comes on every time you ask no matter how much you ask for.

Adrian1200CA
6 years ago

This is what it sounds like in case anyone wants to know.

R2D2
6 years ago

Sounds wicked man.

Jayman6
6 years ago

Sounds great Adrian. Good outcome by the looks of it. Well done.

Adrian1200CA
6 years ago

Thanks guys

Krash Kinkade
6 years ago

Quoting Adrian1200CA on 07 Aug 2018 04:42 AM
Would have liked to go the Red Shift but Warranty was the issue as HD wouldn't and being the bike is only 6 months old didn't want to take the risk. Went to a Dyno shoot out at HD a while back and the winner was based on highest torque number which was 115 from memory which was a Softail with a shit load of money spent on it. So pretty happy with 111.88 for $1100. Pulls real good now.

Quoting Krash Kinkade on 07 Aug 2018 04:49 AMedited: 07 Aug 2018 04:51 AM
can understand how you feel, I don't know about HD as I have never had to claim on any new HD I've owned ( touch wood ) but some manufacturer's say once you have motor modified, not under factory warranty. ( prob only if something major went wrong )
just thought I would mention as I have been around dyno's a while. if you set landscape you stretch out Graph and don't see dips as easy, if you use portrait you see the dips so can try to tune them out. that dyno printout at all below 5,000 set in landscape stretched out a lot.

Quoting 98fxstc on 07 Aug 2018 05:48 AM
I have been around dynos a bit too
and I know about stretching them out
No dips at all is a bit surprising
also the wiggles in the lines give an indication of how good the timing is
No wiggles there at all
even at 10 smoothing I have not seen lines smoothed out that much
an hour and 40 minutes on the dyno is pretty good value for curves like that
and the runfiles go from 5 to 56
if the operator bumped them by 1 each time, that's a run every 2 minutes
tweak VE's, save the file and reload it each time
and I'm not even going to mention timing

Just curious

some say with chases dyno, rear chain or belt drive, can cause that even tyre slip.
with Engine Dyno different, fact is it look's good!!
I always like to back up at the drags, if no experience just look at Trap speed compare it with HP on Dyno, like fast trap speed slow 60 foot slow ET means bike has the power rider has to improve, so trap speed tell's u is HP correct.

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M8 Cams why so different to Twin Cams

M8 Cams why so different to Twin Cams

Adrian1200CA

Krash Kinkade

98fxstc

Adrian1200CA

Adrian1200CA

Krash Kinkade

98fxstc

Adrian1200CA

Adrian1200CA

R2D2

Jayman6

Adrian1200CA

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