GEORGE PELL CHARGED

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keith
7 years ago

This will see a media scrum bigger than the Corby fiasco. Bring the old codger home to Oz to face his accusers.

Bonkerz
7 years ago

Not thinking I know his guilt or lack there of, but hopefully there's no money grabbers fucking it up for the real victims.

mick44
7 years ago

The police have a brief of evidence strong enough to charge Pell. And yet many are saying hes innocent.
And yet none of these Pell/catholic church supporters will tell us if they have seen the police brief of evidence to make such a claim. (Which they havnt seen of course).
You would think that in 2017, people would be more resistive to being brainwashed by religion and religious organisations, but apparently not. Seems Pell might use his flying phobia excuse again as he already said he will get his doctors advice.

TheBigFella
7 years ago

Agree totally, I think by him saying he was asking his doctors gave us the warning of his excuse.
I hope Im wrong, he needs to have his day in court,,,,,,,,,,,,,

fatbat
7 years ago

I'm waiting to see how many victims there are and if the alleged conduct is similar between any victims which then makes it a strong prosecution.

Kingchops
7 years ago

I didn't realise how senior Pell was in the Catholic church, he is second level right below the pope. For someone so senior to be charged, the damage has been done just by charging him.

keith
7 years ago

paulybronco
7 years ago

See Pell has now gone to crowd funding to raise the money to pay his QC........and the bleeding hearts are saying he wont get a fair trial based on the publicity surrounding the case. WTF!

mick44
7 years ago

Watched a piece on, I think is was 4 corners, or maybe one of the other shows a while ago. A pool attendant that seemed to be in his 50s during interview stated on the program that back when Pell used to go to that pool, the attendant said he went in for a shower and as he entered the shower block, he observed Pell standing there naked with a towel around his neck and standing in front of 2 young boys. He said it seemed that Pell had just walked out of the showers so he didnt think much of it and continued in to have his shower. He stated he come out of his shower and Pell was still standing there naked in front of the 2 young boys. He said he then worked out that something was not right and told Pell to get out of the pool complex and never return. He said he felt something was seriously wrong when a grown man is naked and standing in front of boys in a public place for over 5 minuets
This occured back in Pells Ballarat days.

This pool attendant bloke did not identify as a catholic and he showed his full face and voice on the interview. He stated his name and the pool he worked at. No face being electronically smudged out or voice changed. This interview was shown Australia wide on TV.

So if Pell is all innocent, why didnt the catholic church send the police and catholic lawyers to have this pool attendant investigated and/or possibly charged for false allegations of Pells reputation?

Now I always held the opinion that not all the catholic church goers are bad people but im now changing my mind. What sort of sick fuck catholics would pay into Pells defence. I note that these sick fuck catholic supporters are not calling to raise money for the victims. Something evil is entrenched in the whole catholic system and its supporters.

paulybronco
7 years ago

Well well looks like Pell is on his way back here contrary to my prior comments. He has been seen in Singapore on his way back! I Really am shocked

Baloffski
7 years ago

Fucken kiddie fiddlers need to be hung by their scrawny little ball bags!
Fucken cathos are pretty fucked up too, believe the diatribe that is passed on through time and time..

mick44
7 years ago

By the way. in my family, on good Friday, we have a meat lovers barbecue. No seafood, thats for Saturday night when my adult daughters and there partners call in as there on there Easter break. We have steak, more steak, mushie sauce with the steak, steak sauce with the steak. Snags on bread for the grandkids, Fuck the peodophile palace. True story.
But I hope im wrong and God actually is real, I wanna shove St Peter aside at the purley gates as I stomp in past him, barge into Gods office and kick his fucken arse to kingdom come and back for being a cunt.

Kingchops
7 years ago

I've never understood why anyone would want to go to Heaven. You really want to spend eternity with church going Christians. What a fun lot they would be.

mick44
7 years ago

Its just a shame i carnt be the one to flick the switch.
Ide save you taxpayers shitloads of money.
I would pay my own way to get to the electric chair and flick the switch for free.
And I wouldnt cover my head in a mask either.
Ide love the catholic supporters, even those 2 supporters of the pedophile palace on this forum to know it was me that pulled the switch to execute all them pedophile catholics.
Im serious, ide pull the switch for free.

Spook
7 years ago

steelo
7 years ago

You blokes are merciless.

mick44
7 years ago

took my own post down
message sent

steelo
7 years ago

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mick44
7 years ago

A witch hunt against the catholic church you say China.
I put a post up last night and crossed the line. So I took it down. I wasnt wrong in what I said but I did just cross the line.

You remind me of the old Melbourne Truth newspaper. We bought it when we where apprentices cause we all new every story was bullshit but it was entertaining. But theres nothing entertaining in your brainwashed garbage that you sprout.

Most of your comment is a straight lifting from Bolt you brainwashed twit.

Anyway, back to the so called catholic church witch hunt.

And I wont bother putting up the media report that shows why Gilliard called a Royal Commission. We all remember that brave copper that stood up at a community hall meeting and spilled the beans on the police covering up pedo priests. Read the bit about the bishops and arch bishops conference. This abuse is Australia wide. Only a brainwashed twit would say that Pell didnt at the very minimum cover up pedo priests and Pell still hasnt explained his public pool behavior has he.

And what about that pool attendant that 4 corners reported that Pell was standing naked for 5 minuets in front of little boys in the pools toilet/shower. The pool attendant kicked Pell out from the pool and banned him comming back.Forgot that little detail did ya. What China, is that normal behavior from a priest. If this fellow at the pool made it up, why didnt the churches barristers go hard at 4 corners and sue their arses off. I know why the church didnt. Unbrainwash ya self and youll figure it out as well.

Whilst the below is NSW, Its a history lesson on how the Catholic church operates world wide.

ABC NEWS 10-November 2012 (12.31 AM) Heading: Former priest alleges "System of abuse cover-ups"

A former New South Wales priest claims to have witnessed a "system of cover-ups" within the Catholic Church to hide child sexual abuse.

Kevin Lee was ordained as a priest 20 years ago and worked as a police chaplain for some of that time, but was relieved of his parish responsibilities in Western Sydney this year when he admitted to marrying a woman in secret.

His comments follow those of Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox who told Lateline on Thursday night that the Catholic Church is involved in cover-ups and paedophile priests have destroyed evidence to avoid prosecution.

Mr Lee told Lateline on Friday that abuse is widely covered up in the church and that he first became aware of it as soon as he was in the seminary.

"People used to tell me and people in the first parish I was in started to confess their frustration with the authorities and the church for not dealing with the abuse that happened to their sons," he said.

I saw a system of cover-ups, a system of blind-eye turning and just ignorance of the fact that it was happening.
Kevin Lee
"I became aware that some of the other priests were actually paedophiles and were not necessarily becoming priests because they wanted to help people, but because they were paedophiles who wanted the opportunity," he said.

Mr Lee says a church protocol was in place for dealing with cases of child sexual abuse, but it was not actually used.

"I saw a system of cover-ups, a system of blind-eye turning and just ignorance of the fact that it was happening," he said.

He says he took his concerns to superiors within the church but was knocked back.

"In my earlier years as a priest, I was having these people coming to me in confession or just sharing in counselling sessions their experience of frustration and anger with the church that had ignored their pleas of justice when their children had been abused and I started writing the notes down," he said.

"I was speaking to a barrister at one point and I thought he was going to help my case by putting it forward in some legal process.

"He said 'document everything you have', and everything I had I took to authorities within the church and I was told I needed more evidence."

Mr Lee says church authorities told him the allegation he brought them were hearsay.

"In the end I got frustrated with the fact that it was like the hierarchy in the Church was saying we don't believe you, you're a liar, you're making it up," he said.

Mr Lee says he has also taken his allegations to police and helped them with their investigations.

"I have given information to the police and I have also given information to the Catholic Church's independent inquiry," he said.

"One of the feelings I have about that information is that, again, I have been told it is hearsay. I didn't witness it.

"I have heard from people who have said to me that this happened and that is where the process gets bogged down."

Royal commission

Fox disappointed on lack of royal commission
Mr Lee has echoed calls from Chief Inspector Fox for a royal commission into child abuse within the Catholic Church.

On Friday, NSW Premier Barry O'Farrell announced a special commission of inquiry into claims of police cover-up of church sexual abuse following Chief Inspector Fox's comments.

Chief Inspector Fox said he was not convinced a special commission would be as effective as a royal commission.

Mr Lee told Lateline he has spoken to victims who says they would speak at a royal commission if one was set up.

He says damage to the church's reputation will continue until a royal commission is held.

"If you try and encourage people to be involved in the church and yet there is an undercurrent of suspicion that all priests are paedophiles, then it's going to continue until there is a royal commission that says 'no, we're actually looking into the operation of the Catholic Church'," he said.
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ABC NEWS 8-November-2012 (11.14 PM) HEADING: Detective challenges O'Farrell over Catholic abuse claims

A senior serving police officer has challenged New South Wales Premier Barry O'Farrell to set up a Royal Commission into sex abuse in the Catholic Church, alleging the Church hierarchy covers up for paedophile priests, silences investigations, and destroys crucial evidence to avoid prosecutions.

Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox has spent more than 30 years as an investigator and has been at the centre of major police operations in the Newcastle-Hunter region of New South Wales.

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He has written a letter to Mr O'Farrell, published in the Newcastle Herald, calling for a Royal Commission into child sex abuse within the Catholic Church.

Mirroring police evidence given to the Victorian inquiry into the Catholic Church launched this year, he says in his letter: "Many police are frustrated by this sinister behaviour which will continue until someone stops it."

"I can testify from my own experience that the church covers up, silences victims, hinders police investigations, alerts offenders, destroys evidence and moves priests to protect the good name of the church. None of that stops at the Victorian border."

We asked our readers whether there should be a Royal Commission into child sex abuse by the Catholic Church. Read what they had to say.
Abuse statistics for the Newcastle-Maitland diocese paint an ugly picture:

400 known victims of child sexual abuse by clergy
11 clergy charged and convicted since 1995
6 Catholic teachers convicted since 1995
3 priests currently on trial
First priest charged this year with concealing the crimes of another
12 priests involved in substantial compensation claims
Highest known compensation payout to a victim - $3 million
Two police strike forces are investigating whether church officials were involved in covering up crimes.

I had other priests that hadn't been charged with anything removing evidence and destroying it before we were able to secure it, and we just went around in circles.
Peter Fox
Not all clergy are fully cooperating with police, however the Premier has repeatedly said police have the investigation under control.

But Chief Inspector Fox believes police prosecutions on their own cannot deal with the Catholic Church's structures and systems for reporting abuse.

"In many cases that I came across, one priest who had previously faced paedophile charges was donating parish money to the legal support of another priest to defend himself from those charges," he told Lateline.

"I had other priests that hadn't been charged with anything removing evidence and destroying it before we were able to secure it, and we just went around in circles.

"The greatest frustration is that there is so much power and organisation behind the scenes that police don't have the powers to be able to go in and seize documents and have them [the church] disclose things to us."

Chief Inspector Fox says he has "definite information" of alleged cover-ups by a number of diocese bishops.

"It potentially goes even higher than that," he said.

Alleged cover-up

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VIDEO: Catholic Church allegedly hid crimes of paedophile priests (Lateline)
Chief Inspector Fox was responsible for the conviction of paedophile priest Father Jim Fletcher, who had not been stood down or removed from contact with children during the police investigation.

Also, he encountered alleged serious issues of cover-up in his investigation of another priest, Father Denis McAlinden.

The priest had arrived in Australia from Ireland in 1949 and for four decades he was transferred from parish to parish, and even outside Australia.

The NSW Department of Public Prosecutions is now looking at whether McAlinden's crimes were covered up by three senior members of the clergy, including the general secretary of the Australian Catholic Bishops conference, Brian Lucas, the Archbishop of Adelaide, Philip Wilson and former bishop of Newcastle, Michael Malone.

Chief Inspector Fox was in the middle of investigating this matter in 2010 when he was directed to hand over all his evidence to other officers, including a statement from a critical witness.

When I was directed to hand that statement over I described her statement as ... explosive. And I still describe that statement as explosive. What is disclosed in that is monumental.
Peter Fox
He says the statement was "explosive".

"When I was directed to hand that statement over I described her statement as ... explosive. And I still describe that statement as explosive," he said.

"What is disclosed in that is monumental."

Chief Inspector Fox says police have sent brief papers to the Director of Public Prosecutions, which are being considered.

He says an archbishop, a bishop and a priest have been implicated in alleged cover-up.

Northern Region Commander Assistant Commissioner Carlene York told Lateline that Chief Inspector Fox was directed to hand over his work because of a new taskforce in a different Local Area Command (LAC).

"Strike Force Lantle was established to ensure that a thorough and coordinated investigation was undertaken in relation to the allegations raised," she said.

"At that time, Detective Chief Inspector Fox was a crime manager at Port Stephens Local Area Command and was informed the strike force would be fully investigating the allegations.

"The strike force was undertaken by detectives from the Local Area Command responsible for the investigation, that being Newcastle City.

"It would be unusual for a crime manager from a neighbouring LAC to work on a Strike Force in another LAC."

Chief Inspector Fox says a Royal Commission into allegations of abuse and cover-up within the Catholic Church is needed.

"There's so much that the police force can't do. We don't have power," he said.

Sometimes these people [victims] aren't up to going through to taking it to court and we've got to sometimes take that hard pill and sit back and say, "OK, it's frustrating that we won't get this guy, but we can't put them through that ordeal."
The degree of courage those that do come back and say, "Listen, I want to finish that statement. I want to see him taken to court." How we can sit back and say they do not deserve our fullest support?
Because, my God, they've got some courage to be able to stand up and do what they've got to do and say what they've got to say in court and relive that ordeal.
Whether you're the Premier of NSW or you're just somebody sitting back watching this on TV tonight, it's got to move you. It can't but move you.
Peter Fox
Lateline asked the NSW Premier for a specific response to Chief Inspector Fox's letter to him.

His spokesman said police investigations are ongoing and Mr O'Farrell will not interfere with that.

"The best result is successful prosecutions and no-one should keep these offences secret," the spokesman said.

This morning former bishop of Newcastle William Wright told Radio National that the culture within the Church had changed.

"I'm sure that as I have been annoyed with many things down the years, he's [also] had those experiences," he said.

"All I would say is that we've come a long way in a fairly short time and those things are not true of this diocese or broadly of the church in New South Wales now."

mick44
7 years ago

Rodders,

I went back and bold highlighted the two articles source in my post above yours.

Thers a lot more swimming pool allegations against Pell. Stuff that will make you sick which i didnt post.

But as to the allegation I put up about Pell at one swimming pool, I will do better, heres the report on it. It was also played on the 07.30 report.

ABC NEWS 07.30. First posted: 27-July 2016 07.06PM Reporter: Louise Milligan, Andy Burns

When local businessman Les Tyack walked into the Torquay Surf Club change rooms one day in the summer of 1986-87, he encountered a scene that struck him as "very odd" — George Pell with three boys he estimates were aged between 8 and 10.

Key points

Local businessman, Les Tyack, says he witnessed an "odd" incident involving George Pell at the Torquay Surf Club in 1986-87
He did nothing at the time but last year reported it to the Royal Commission and Victoria Police's Taskforce SANO
Cardinal Pell emphatically denies ever abusing anyone
"I said, 'Hi George', and at that time he was towelling, had the towel going across his shoulders drying his back, but he was facing three young boys standing about three or four metres across from him," Mr Tyack told 7.30.

He thought it was "a little strange", but he put his gear onto the bench and had a shower.

"I was in the showers for probably five to 10 minutes and when I came out the boys had got dressed," Les Tyack said.

Torquay surf beach
PHOTO: Torquay surf beach (Wikimedia)
"But Pell just had the towel over his right shoulder, still facing the boys, and the boys were looking at him, there was no communication between them, but Pell was looking at the boys they were looking at him."

"I immediately thought this is not right, there is something amiss here."

Mr Tyack says the thing that disturbed him was that the naked Pell had stood there for 10 minutes facing the boys.

"I thought that was not on," he said.

"(It was a) very strange situation for an adult to be full-frontal to three young boys."

He said he told the young boys to "finish doing what you're doing, off you go".

"When they left, I then said to George Pell, 'I know what you're up to, piss off, get out of here, if I see you back in this club again, I'll call the police'," he said.

Do you know more about this story? Email 7.30syd@your.abc.net.au
Pell made no response at all when I challenged him: Les Tyack

Les Tyack
PHOTO: Torquay businessman Les Tyack remembers an unusual incident with George Pell in the Torquay Surf Club change rooms.
Mr Tyack did not see the priest at the club again.

But club records show George Pell was a member of the club for many years and he has publicly stated that it was his practice to holiday every summer in Torquay during the period.

Pell's career in the Catholic Church

Cardinal George Pell is one of the most prominent and controversial figures in the Australian Catholic Church. Look back at his career.
Mr Tyack said one of his biggest concerns was how George Pell's torso was angled during the incident.

"It makes me very suspicious that he was exposing himself to those three young boys," he said.

"He made sure that at no time was I given the opportunity to see the front of him."

"(I thought that was) very suspicious, because when I challenged him, he made no response to me at all - which I thought quite odd."

"I'm certain that if I'd been challenged in such a manner, I certainly would've fired up with questioning: What do you mean? What are you talking about?"

"But, no. Pell went very silent. Didn't say a word."

At the time Mr Tyack did nothing more, but after hearing other allegations about clergy in the Royal Commission last year, he decided to report the Torquay incident because if there were other potential victims of George Pell it might form part of a "dossier" for police.

Last year, Mr Tyack made a statement to both the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse and Victoria Police's Taskforce SANO about the incident..

Cardinal Pell rejects claims that he has abused anyone

Cardinal Pell declined to address Mr Tyack's specific allegations, or anyone else's, in the statement sent by his office to 7.30.

But he rejects claims that he "sexually abused anyone, in any place, at any time in his life", and says any allegations of such are "totally untrue and completely wrong".
"The Cardinal's conduct has been repeatedly scrutinised over many years, including before the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, the Victorian Parliamentary Inquiry into the Handling of Child Abuse by Religious and Other Organisations and ... by Victoria Police's SANO Taskforce," the statement says.

However, the royal commission is yet to make findings on the Cardinal's evidence to it in February, and neither it nor the Victorian Parliamentary Inquiry publicly examined allegations of child sexual abuse by the Cardinal himself.

7.30 understands Taskforce SANO has sought the advice of the Victorian Office of Public Prosecutions.

The Cardinal is entitled to a presumption of innocence and police and prosecutors
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By Mick44 :The local buisnessman Les Tyak had noo problems with his picture being placed in that article. Heres his pic:
The other swimming pool allegations that i wont put up go into descriptive sex acts so I will leave that. Just google ABC-swimming pool alegations Louise Milligan Andy Burns.

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keith

Bonkerz

mick44

TheBigFella

fatbat

Kingchops

keith

paulybronco

mick44

paulybronco

Baloffski

mick44

Kingchops

mick44

Spook

steelo

mick44

steelo

mick44

mick44