Power Vision PV1 or Screamin Eagle Pro Super Tuner

  • 2010LO
    2010LO
    7 years ago
    Which one would you choose? 
    When I bought my bike I didn't think to ask about the tuner that was married to the bike so never got one. Now I'm looking to get one and trying to decide between the Power Vision and Pro Super Tuner. I would be looking to get one of the reset Super Tuners or I know of a second hand Power Vision PV1 I can buy and would need to purchase an unlock code to get it to work with my bike.

    Both would end up costing the same sort of money so just trying to work out which one to go with
  • brash
    brash
    7 years ago
    Unbiased opinion after using both, PV every day. But that's just me. SEPST has it's fans too.

    The interface, user friendliness, touch screen and integration of the target tune from Dynojet is what does it for me.

    It depends what your end purpose is though, are you having your guy tune it on dyno? are you just going to load a "close enough" calibration and call it a day? Are you a tinkerer at heart.....
  • 2010LO
    2010LO
    7 years ago
    I like the idea of the touch screen on the power vision. At the moment the bike has V&H big radius 2-2 and SE heavy breather and when that was installed it was "tuned" at the dealer which I assume would have just been a can map but was done by previous owner. The only other mods performance wise that may happen will be a set of cams so that's why I'm looking into tuners now. 
    I like to have a bit of a tinker with things when I can, the bike will probably never see a dyno for tuning so wanting something that i can load a map that is close and then maybe make some adjustments to get it better. 

    As far as tuning capabilities go are both units equally as capable or does one stand out as better than the other? 
  • rodrocket
    rodrocket
    7 years ago

    I have the PV1 & very happy with its capabilities, the ability to adjust the speedo calibration was a winner for me amongst a few other little goodies available for it, the Wide Band O2 is a great addition for those who like to play on there own :) 

    As has already been suggested if you ever intend on putting the bike on a dyno contact the tuner & ask what he prefers to work with


  • 2010LO
    2010LO
    7 years ago
    How well does the "autotune" feature work with the stock o2 sensors? With the PV do you need to use a laptop at all or can you do everything direct from the touch screen? 
  • 2010LO
    2010LO
    7 years ago
    Definitely leaning more towards the PV. I like the fact that you don't need extra cables to link it to a laptop for any adjustments, you can just do it all from the unit itself. Live gauge readings would be a nice bonus too
  • 2010LO
    2010LO
    7 years ago
    Sorry yeah, I realise I will need to connect it to a computer to load load a new map onto the unit, but I won't need to have it hooked to a computer to do everything like the SEPST
  • 2010LO
    2010LO
    7 years ago
    I know the auto tune feature with the standard o2 sensors will never get the tune 100% but I think it will still be an improvement over standard canned maps? 
  • 2010LO
    2010LO
    7 years ago
    Yeah I see the SEPST has the smart tune feature as well. As far as actual tuning capabilities go it seems that both units are capable of doing pretty much the exact same things. 
    Biggest difference I can see is the fact that you can do most things direct on the PV unit where as the SEPST you need to have a computer to get in and do anything. Also a bonus with the PV is the ability to leave it on the bike and have access to many other gauges which I do not have now ie. RPM, temp and battery voltage to name a few 
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    7 years ago
    Paul on another post re fuel economy you mentioned you couldn't get close to my fuel economy cruising on a highway even when my cruise was at a higher speed. I was thinking the biggest variable was probably our tunes. Does power vision standard auto tune run it a bit rich by chance? My tune was a custom dyno tune (using SE tuner but they all change the same ecu tables obviously)
  • brash
    brash
    7 years ago

    Autotune basic gives about 13 to 13.2 to 1 AFR right up until 80kpa then starts to wander a bit

    take not that this is AFTER the learned values are exported and flashed to the bike.

    When the tuner is performing Autotuning, it is leaner, but timing is retarded 4 deg. So hurting the engine isn't really a concern.

    Rule of thumb I've used is just add 5-10% more fuel in that part of the map and you got yourself a pretty good runner. You can get some weird VE spikes too but with enough "re-runs" of the AT can smooth that out pretty well. What the AT doesn't account for is some of the bonkers timing tables Dynojet give you from the library. Some of them I shake my head at, some are pretty good but I like to start cautiously and wind the wick up incrementally saving a new tune each increment. Run it for a bit logging the ride, then exporting into the good old log viewer software and seeing how It went. It's a long process but something I kind of enjoy doing.

    I'm lucky to have access to a dyno pretty much whenever I want and have the Target tune module, but for your average "stage 1" I think AT basic is fine, get a good starting map from Fuel Moto and you will be amazed how good you can get one to run with a bit of time.

    When you have bigger cubes, cams or a combo that is a bit out of the ordinary the target tune is brilliant, just can be a pain in the ass to wire into some bikes like sporties where the widebands can foul the bike and hiding all the modules under the already cramped seat area.

    SERT is great when on the dyno and have all the cables connected running live, but as a DIY tuner it's not the most user friendly IMO.