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Cam only or stage 3

  • 15RIP
    15RIP
    7 years ago

    Hey guys,I need some advice on cams and the whole set up.So many opinions out there, it's driving me nuts!!I've got a 2015 softail standard with stage one.Now looking to cam the bike.Im after the "SOUND",lumpy and of course power through the whole range?. An S+S 570 has been suggested.Also SE stage 3 kit with 585 cams.Also if I put just a cam in,should I install adjustable pushrods or perfect fit rods? Is there a big difference?They tell me adjustable rods are only used so they don't have to take the rockers off? Being adjustable would they have a tendency to loosen off? Have a heap of questions I'll start with these.

     

  • 15RIP
    15RIP
    7 years ago
    Thanks for the reply mate. Yes, Money sure is the main factor.The thing that gets confusing(especially for me,that's not up with all the intricate stuff) is, if you go cams do need adjustable pushrods?,do you go heavier valve springs?, lifters? Do you change the oil pump????? I don't want a half arse job just for a bit of extra oomph!! Don't want to compromise reliability and want things done right!
    Any thoughts would be great!
  • 15RIP
    15RIP
    7 years ago
    Ok, so for someone like me that likes to,cruise round town,ride through the mountains (solo most of the time) not keen on long touring rides, cruise comfortably on a highway and have power when I need to over take or go up hills
    And accasionally give it some stick here and there. And look boys, I'd still like it to sound tougher than it does it's one reason we buy these bikes, isn't it. What would be recommended by you guys that have been there done that?
    Keeping in mind these cams have been recommended- s+s 570 and 583,Andrews 57H.
  • FONTANA302
    FONTANA302
    7 years ago

    Increasing overlap will give you the lumpy sound at idle, but you certainly don't want a pig of a bike as a consequence.  That's what you'll end up with if you get the combination wrong.

    If money is an issue, all you are after is a drop in cam (otherwise get plenty of "C" notes together).  I used the Andrews 50H with only adjustable pushrods (for some reason you don't hear about this cam), S&S Stealth Intake and S&S Turbo mufflers (so a stage 1 with a drop in cam, no valve train issues with the standard springs) & got an easy to ride bike with & the following dyno results (97hp, 109 ft/lbs rounded up).  The 50H has 7 degrees more overlap than the 57H at 0.020" lift timing figures, so is a more lumpy cam.  Don't forget rideability is very important.......  I was happy with this one, the torque is good.

    From Andrews web site: Designed for easy installation in 96-103 inch motors with stock heads and 9.5 to 9.8 CR (2400 to 6000 rpm).

     

     


  • 15RIP
    15RIP
    7 years ago
    Thanks for all the input boys!!
    Yes, Fred from Procycle Dyno did my stage 1. I'll have a chat to him about the 50H.
  • fatbat
    fatbat
    7 years ago
    Nice looking dyno graph. The 50h cam has intake close timing at 48 which is fairly late so I'm surprised with the torque coming on early in what is a standard comp engine. Even Andrews recommendation for using this in standard comp engines is a bit different from the norm for late closing intake. I initially thought it looked like a graph for their 48h cam. In any event it must ride nicely and well done
  • FONTANA302
    FONTANA302
    7 years ago
    Thanks Fatbat for reminding me,

    Forgot to mention, I set the cams up 4 degrees advanced (Andrews 4 degree sprocket) deliberately to pick up the low end torque. It rides real nice.