Have a talk to FatBat. I had a look at his new pipes and they are quiet enough, but still has a great note.

Does that (pic above) make a V&H quiet baffle even quieter? I couldn't stand the silence of a quiet baffle, let alone going a step more...

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If I got baffles would I have to re map/tune the bike? 

I'll share with you the info I got, seeing as I was in a similar boat, with the same pipes. May help you. May not, but I am getting mine dyno'd in week or so in any case.

I had the V&H Big shots staggered fitted originally with stock baffles and what I assume is a canned map from the dealer, on my SEPST. I later got the V&H Quiet baffles and the dealer fitted them. I assumed they may have changed the tune/map, but in hindsight I doubt it, and I didn't ask. Ran it that way for 4500k's and no problems I could feel/see/hear.

After adding the smartpartz baffles a couple of weeks ago I took it to Thundertech and had a dyno analysis. The AFR ranged from 14.3-14.5 from 2500 rpm to 4250rpm, then dropped towards 13.3 on the way to redline. Deano indicated those numbers were way too lean across the board and I am going back to get the tune done properly. He also said that my head temperatures were up quite a bit.

I know that AFR's are only part of the story, and not the be-all,end-all and many other factors will be tuned on the dyno, but if an experienced tuner says that's too lean then I am keen to fix it.

Sooo…….in response to your question. You could run the big shots, with standard or quiet baffles, and the smartpartz, and you may not be hurting your engine by running too lean.I ran mine that way for quite a while, and nothing went wrong, but I may well have been hurting my valves etc…and not knowing it. People who actually know about this stuff can help you further but that is how mine played out.

The general opinion I have read is that any baffle solution you choose (smartpartz, thunder torque, big city thunder, lollypopping) is going to increase back pressure, and therefore richen up the mix a bit. So you could well just put them in and leave it that way with the canned map and be ok. I'm sure hundreds of people have done it that way and I did for some time, too.

You must have had it re-mapped to put the V&H on in the first place ? Maybe take it back to the people that put the map on and ask if theres a variant they can do ?

Sorry I can't give you a more definitive answer.

I have V&H staggered short shots on my 48 which are loud as fuck, and I live in an area that has high density housing. I normally roll my bike out to the footpath and start it, and immediately take off. When I return, as I enter my street I throw the bike into neutral and switch the engine off to coast the last 100 metres or so to my driveway, where I then hop off and roll it back into my garage. Seems to work and have had no complaints so far. The only concern I have is when I start up and ride away immediately as I worry that I'm not giving the engine time enough to properly warm up. 

My bike is loud and I live next door to people that are 85 to 100 years old... my neighbours come out to look at the bike and love it... at 61 i am the young guy on the block lol.  

Sounds good , looking forwards to seeing this latest mod !

Hi wardy. Sounds interesting and looking forward to seeing your pics

fucking hell,



































fucking V@H pipes, cost a heap then spend another 300 on baffles to try and make them right, hahaha, some one is making lotta $$ , not only that but every other bike has them, no other pipes on the market?? my opinion is that Harleys with V@H now have a GENERIC LOOK.

We all of course understand your frustrations. But kind of on a side (though related) note, this also seems like a case of "not all neigbours are created equal"! That some neighbours are fine with the brief episodes of loudness, and some are not, is typical of neighbourly relations about anything, but also highlights the unwarranted burden placed on bike riders. That neighbour firing up the lawnmower at 8am Saturday morning is fine, but we can't fire up our ride, when the two are the same decibels?

An example of the randomness of it all? Back in February I was off on a road trip through the Snow Mountains, leaving from Melbourne. I have VH short shots (regular baffle), so pretty loud, but I nurse the bike in and out of my hood. But I planned to leave for my road trip at 5am Saturday morning (get a few hours in and stop for brekky in the mountains). So I went to the neighbours either side and across the road and let them know that at about 5am I would be starting the bike but getting her out of the street as quickly as I could to minimize noise. Zero issues. They all thanked me for considering the noise and said they often heard the bike but it's no big deal.

Is this issue, then, too different to all neighbourly disputes? Sure, some turn on legal issues. But even when they do, it seems issues become something bigger as a straight function of our collective willingness to tolerate each other. We probably don't know if we can resolve issues by chatting with the neighbour until we try, but if they're going to be a bad apple about it, they're probably inclined to be a bad apple about living next to anyone anyway.

Wardy I for one look forward to seeing what you have come up with, cheers mate.

Get rid of them mate, I had shorts shots and loved them. The look and the sound.
But started getting over the loudness, u can't quiet them and still have them sound good.
I went with D&D bobcat but there are heaps of options. Love my new pipes, quiet (er) at idle and roar when on it

I too have been playing with baffles and like has been said a straight thru muffler isn't going to be quiet. The airflow needs to be redirected and by doing so pushes it more into the packing. I have Rush Big Louies on my SG and found them to loud stock and also didn't like the sound. What I did was block the end on the inside end and changed the baffle material. This definitely tones them down but also gives them a deeper less tinny sound. If you aren't comfortable mucking around with them find a muffler shop and get them to do it. If on or near the Gold Coast there is a good bloke at Carrara that specializes in bike exhausts.

Has anyone here done the stage 1 upgrade with a vance and hines exhaust tuned their bike then put on the quiet baffles ?

did you have to retune the bike ?

My neighbours have never complained about my pipes, Paul Yaffa Legend Crack Pipes
I think they are loudish but if you strangle the throttle, they will screen for help

Has anyone compared the difference in sound from the big radius 2 into 2 to the Big Shot staggered

I have the big radius on my bike & the sound can get quite annoying & am looking for a change

regards
Rod

Lottsa V@H pipes for sale on Gumtree, seems kinda pointless to chop up a set of pipes after ya pay a grand or more buts that's me , old and logical, for the money they cost I'd want them working right straight outta the box.

good result well done

I choose the deep rumble….if I'm paying $1,150 for pipes I don't want drill holes in them