Hi Guys

Does anyone know whether there is a way to check whether my bike is running the stock fuel map or whether the map has been modified in any way?

E.g. is there a serial number or something that I can get i tto display, say via the speedo?

My 2013 Softail, which I have bought  2nd hand, is completely stock as far as air filter and exhaust is concerned, but I am thinking the previous owner may have loaded a different fuel map when he had some aftermarket parts fitted.

I could not find anything in the Service Manual.

Also, I do not have a TTS, SERT or anything like that (but am considering geting one),

Thanks,

Renegade

 

If there is no tuner interface with the bike, that indicates that it hasn't been re-mapped.

There is $145.00 H-D tool that you can buy that plugs into the ECM and displays error codes and lets you delete them,

it also displays the file number of the installed map.

Maybe a trip to the dealer so that they can confirm the installed file ?

Anything you read from the ECM may or maynot be correct. HD themselves sell downloads for most all models that are NOT stock but look that way to most and many aftermarket tuning tool allow one to put any part number they wish to use in it. So I can very easy put a built 120R engine in place tune it up properly yet have the dealership tools read the ECM and it THINKS its a stock calibration.

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I'm in Perth WA mate

Thanks Guys.

So if I understand Steve correctly then this is because the 'calibration id' is basically just any name specified when that fuel map was uploaded.

Maybe one could download the map and do a byte-by-byte comparison with a known file?

Are there resources where one can download different fuel maps (incl. stock maps)? Or is this something one can only get via TTS, say?

Thanks again

There is about 10% that any tuner shows you when you look at it. The rest of what is there to run the engine you as a consumer cannot see or work with. So you are very limited on what you can do. I can only say that the TTS base calibrations are very different then the original HD calibrations that come in the bike to start with. What anyone else may or maynot do, who knows. The dealership tools only show a part number for a calibration ID and that number is simply typed into any calibration. So if I type an original HD number in place with a modified calibration the dealership tool THINKS it's stock when it very well may not be.

If you buy a TTS dongle " AKA race tuner " , then you can download from the TTS site all the calibration files.

The vast majority are not for your model of course , just they're all in the menu

You can save your stock Oem calibration , (indeed you have to do so !) but you can't "open" them

There are stage 1/2/3 etc etc calibrations to closely match your model and engine build specs

( these you can open and compare and play around a wee bit , I've been doing that for years now )

You can reflash at any time if you "upscale" the engine in the future. In my experience most folks dont !

I am new to this sort of stuff........

I've bought a used 08 Street Glide that the previous owner bought in US on a trip a couple of years ago. I think that it also has a 'SE super tuner' fitted tuned to run on 98 octane fuel according to the dealer in Adelaide. It certainly performs well. I had to put the stock mufflers back on for the RWC as the fitted ones were no where close.

HH in Ringwood returned the map back to stock to run with the stock mufflers. I want to retain the performance but tone down the decibels when I replace the previous unbranded  mufflers. I have the original HD software part 32109-08C, 2 questions.

1 - Would inserting a baffle lower the decibels?

2 - if the baffles are an inexpensive option, does the map then get re-set to the new exhaust set up with running it on 95 octane to keep the cost down?

If all of this makes sense, should I just get HH to do it, or is there a better company to deal with? It is above my capabilities and understanding.

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Folks, this forum does work. Just spoken with Matt from Rosnars who is one of our sponsors.

Exceptionally helpful on the phone, explained it all and will check it out. Fantastic!

EDIT: Followed up with a visit at the workshop today.  Matt checked the bike over and formulated a service and preventative maintenance plan to start in a couple of weeks. I certainly learnt a lot from the visit. I am glad that he is one of the forum's sponsors. 

That's interesting. Is this really not possible in TTS Mastertune then?

I wonder why.

The problem with taking an unknown calibration and trying to use it again is really simple. You take all it's problems right into what you are trying to tune. ALL TTS calibrations are completely different than the stock OEM calibrations, as they (OEM)were not written to run modified engines. There is a very good computer saying that fits well in this case. GARBAGE in GARBAGE OUT. The Original file that is saved by TTS is a mirror image of the entire ECM, good, bad or indifferent. We treat it like a get out of jail card. You can put it back in the ECM and it puts it exactly how it was before the bike was tuned. NO other unit on the market today does this. Some will put part of it back, but NOT all of it. When you use our calibrations we know whats there and how it should work plus we add features that are not in the original code to begin with, no one else does! So I hope this lets you understand why we do what we do.

Same here, I just wanted to be able to look and compare.

However, if I understand Steve correctly, this would be comparing apples with oranges because the same table values may well produce a different result when running the Original Tune vs. the TTS Tune in your ECM.

I am wondering how the PowerVision does this. Also, if I were to reflash the stock file via PV, is my ECM not exactly the way it was before?

Power Vision does NOT modify anything other than the information they display to you. NONE of the other things that control how the systems works is modified, so they assume it going to work on all engines and nothing can be further from the truth. As for PV returning your ECM to original I can tell you first hand, the answer is NO. I have had to correct several customers ECM's after they gave up on the PV working on higher modified engines. PV takes whatever is in the ECM and allows you to modify it and there base calibrations are nothing more than a stock calibration that someone tried to tune. Mastertune and SESPT calibrations are truely custom made calibrations with many many modifications made to things you do not get to see. Mastertune also goes further by adding features to the calibrations to allow you the user further control things that were not there to begin with. We actually change how things do what they do and tell it to do other things that it does not do to start with.

I can make things look completely different yet give the same results or make it work completely different. So what you would see in a Original calibration really would not tell you much and very likely can screw you up.