So... FatBat gas planted the seed and the Mrs has given me the green light, so now the research starts on upgrading my 2010 Fatty from 96 to 106.

 I have already installed Cams (Andrews 57h), and push rods etc, so I am researching on exactly what I need in parts, and any advice on those little gems that can save me a lot pain and money.  " border="0" src="/DesktopModules/NTForums/themes/_default/emoticons/smile.gif" />

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Is there a kit I can grab that has everything in it?  I have seen a kit at MnM called S&S 106" Hot Set Up Kit, w/ cylinders and pistons w/o cylinder heads, Silver on this page. http://www.mandmcycles.com/detail.aspx?deptID=1&category2=Engine&make=Harley&Category3=Engine%20Kits%20%2F%20Strokers&ProductNo=MM003848

Although, the above comes with Cams, which I don't need.  But then there is a kt called S&S 106" Hot Set Up Kit, w/ 83cc ported cylinder heads, cylinders, and pistons, Silver which I know comes with the cylinder heads - but do I need them?  So just need some clarity on what I need etc.

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Cheers

Mongrel

 

Thanks Hilly,

I am not looking for a rocket ship. I just like the sound of a 106, plus, the extra power wouldn't go astray! But I don't need to go ridiculous, if you know what I mean.

Fuel Moto have a 107 kit which has some good reviews.

Sounds like words of wisdom Hilly

very well put advise. 

Does take all the fun out of making the same mistakes over and over again tho 

 

hehe

CP 107 Pistons, bore your stock barrels and a set of flash heads that flow and are set up for your cam

do it right do it once

Thanks Lads for the comments.

To answer your question Hilly, I am a bit like you. I love spinning spanners, and have done so on every bike I have owned, so partly it's about upgrading my donk, and partly it's like a hobby.

That said, all I am looking to do is add the cubes for a bit more punch and that big bore sound. I am not interested in running the best quarter mile etc!

So I am looking to you guys for some advice, and I am trying to get my head around exactly what I need to buy.

Yep - There will probably come a time when I will pull the spanners out again - but like you said, it just keeps evolving!!

Call Mark Hood, member on here, have a chat about what you want, get a price from him for the parts and machine work, put it together and away you go.

+1 Hilly

Buy it all in one go if you can afford it.

Big bore kit, good heads, cams, 55 or 58mm throttle body, air kit, pipes and tuner. This will get you 100/100 and you are done.

Hi,

I would seriously look at the SE Stage 4 pro race kit mongrel, has big bore to 103 and a lot of other stuff, just have to get ACR relay, comp release and 58mm air cleaner, you can tweak the setup a bit and pull the tuner out at dealer and will cost about $3000 (all inclusive of gaskets, cam kits, inner bearings etc)

Dont have to stuff around with getting stuff worked on here, worked on there, what he/she reckons, this tune no good, this part holding you back

Thanks
Robots

Thanks lads.

I agree with you Robots... I don't want to get stuff worked on, and I am actually happy to do it in stages etc. As I said, it's a bit of a hobby as much as it is to get the donk upgraded. I am looking for what I would call "plug and play" though. Ny that I mean, I don't want to have to get stuff worked on here. I am looking for parts that will fit straight in, and then all I need is to tune it.

And again, I am not looking necessarily for 100/100 so if I don't need to install a new throttle body if I don't have to. Maybe later I will, but for now, let's look at this as stage 1 of my upgrade.

So MnM have sent me quote for the following;

SnS 106 Big bore Kit that includes...
SnS Cylinders with Gaskets
Pistons and rings
Top End Gasket Kit

So that's a start. Obviously that is the very start... So I just need to decide what else I include for stage 1 of my upgrade - Heads or no Heads etc???

Au prices no good?
give this guy a go, I got some S&S cams from him a few months ago and the price was OK. mick@reservoirhogs.com.au
 

Mongrel

I've just put in some 57h cams - love them on my 96CI - Huge improvement over stock. Before putting them in I contacted Andrews and told them I want something for my 96CI
but I want to go 106/107CI later on and would the 57h still be suitable - the response from Andrews was "Up to 9.5:1 CR would work well with a 107” engine".
From what I see on the s&s 106 kit the upgrade is going to increase your compression to 10:1 - I'm definately no expert and am learning as I go along but as others have said plan the whole
upgrade (even if you going to stage it). I decided to stick with the 57h and stock heads - if I touch the heads I'll go with other cams to suit

Good luck

Cheers
45WL

A few questions, you ONLY want bolt on stuff, not modifying your parts like heads/ cylinders ?
Do you want to keep the 57 cams ?
Do you find yourself short shifting at the torque peak, or run close to the rev limit when out riding with the lads ?
Are you happy for some Dyno' time tuning ?

And new bolt on gear only ?, no cylinder boring ?

Correct - No machine work if I can avoid it. I weigh 68Kg wringing wet, and don't need a rocket ship!

Hi,

Hard for these shops to get good results with a dremel i reckon, dont underestimate the power you may have when cruising on freeway, loaded, 2-up, passing, cant be stuffed changing down gear

Thanks
Robots

That's the thing Robots - I ride 1up - Always!

Everyone seems keen on pushing me towards building something that will break the land speed record, and to get every last horse out of the donk. That's not the plan here!

 

If I simply wanted to get more power, I would trade up for 110.

SE 110's are over-rated, a built up 106/107 will perform much better, even a mild one will

Mongrel

I got 97hp / 104ft-lbs from my 96" with 57h - I'm happy with that as I also always ride 1-up - thats why I decided against going the 106/107 route (for now) becuase you need headwork to suit the cams or like others have done and bought a cam to suit the 106 upgrade without doing any headwork (s&s cam with s&s106). I dont think the 57h cam with the 106/107 upgrade without headwork is going to benefit you - again Im no expert just my 2c

cheers
45

I've done a bit of searching, the 57 will work very well in a 106/107, and has been proven.
Gary from Andrews reccomends running the 57 at no more than 9.75:1 stattic comp' in a 106/107.
So you need to set your compression to work with the cams you have, and end up at or below 190 psi cranking.
The S&S flat tops are meant to have -2.5cc volume, and usually .007 down the hole.
What you need to do is decide on cyl' heads.
The thing is your stock heads will put the comp a little high, so they WOULD need some work.
Possibly open up the combustion chamber a little and use a .040 head gasket.
S&S 89cc heads would work for a bolt on, and keep the comp' happy. Not sure on intake size/TB with these heads.
Stock heads will likely get you 100hp/105+ torque, S&S heads will easily see you at 110+ hp/tq.

As you can see, there is a lot of thought needed to make it all work correctly.