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Going fast, torque and horepower

  • Maxiboy
    Maxiboy
    11 years ago

    Everyone on here spends an incredible amount of time talking about horsepower and shit but I rarely see anything written up about stopping! What the fuck happens when you try to come out of warp speed with the pissy standard harley brakes?

    So this leads to my question, does anyone know someone that makes a good 3 pot front brake calipers for HD Softails. I see some on ebay but since my life is on the line I would like some feedback of things people have tried, even some super grippy pads that may help in the standard set-up.

    Thanks lads.

  • ozymax
    ozymax
    11 years ago
    try performance machine and Lyndal pads
  • Underground
    Underground
    11 years ago
    I just throw an old boat anchor out.... and pray its attached to the bike.
  • Hooky
    Hooky
    11 years ago
    I put my foot between the front wheel and forks.

    I have read good reviews on the performance machine calipers and 13" rotor. This is an upgrade I am considering with the new go-fast-bits I have ready to put in.
  • tussuck
    tussuck
    11 years ago

    A good sticky front tyre and a prayer often as not.  The real secret is to not outride your bike!  I have high HP and go bloody fast, but always know my braking limitations and ride to that.

    I have found a 3 pot front Nissin unit that may actually fit my wire spoked FXR which I will try to fir this weekend; then I'll have some stopping power.

    If it works I'll post up a construction thread about it.

  • Underground
    Underground
    11 years ago
    My bike, although not fast has plenty of horepower*.













    *for explanation, see title of thread.
  • Daggs
    Daggs
    11 years ago
    Know your bike and don't leave your breaking too late or just pray.... Haven't had an issue with mine to date but not saying I won't upgrade things at some stage either...
  • chopa
    chopa
    11 years ago
    I've Got PM 4 pot caliper and lyndell pads and they stop awesome compared to standard but as said before always know your bikes limitations

    Cheers Chopa
  • shingles
    shingles
    11 years ago

    exactly as quoted by most members know your bike thats essentiall ,in all areas accelleration stopping ah well yrs of riding is probably the most essantall aspect here ,so no matter what brakes are on bike in the end it's all in the rider's hands and foot  SHINGLES

  • shingles
    shingles
    11 years ago

    exactly as quoted by most members know your bike thats essentiall ,in all areas accelleration stopping ah well yrs of riding is probably the most essantall aspect here ,so no matter what brakes are on bike in the end it's all in the rider's hands and foot  SHINGLES

  • Maxiboy
    Maxiboy
    11 years ago
    I agree with you guys have to say in regards to the rider being a big factor. Coming off Jap bikes where you touch the front with one finger and your eyeballs start to fall out of their sockets, that was the biggest shock when I got my bike. Tou should be able to pull the bike up in an emergency with 2 fingers not four to maintain optimum control. Thats the feel I want.
  • shingles
    shingles
    11 years ago

    ah ha looked at your bike very nice machine ,the biggest prob i see is 1 front rotor which will never give u wat u want that grip u can feel with fingers when useing front brake ,if poss look at some interchangeable wheel with twin rotors that would be my path on giving that feeling that something is actually happening when lever applied ,or buy used forks and wheel with twin rotors ,as your forkleg may not have mounting for caliper there is plenty of those parts around you just have to look and research certain things forkleg diameters is first thing ,a lot of harley parts are interchangeable you just have to measure things ,but i would certainly look at this if it were me u can buy new pads first lyndall brand good but 2 get what i'd call stopping power is twin front as i have twin front on fatbob and they work will lock tyre if demanded have done so just to test limits also rears ,i rekon theres plenty of front ends go straight on your ride u will have to do brake lines but thats available online every thing is available it's up 2 you SHINGLES

  • Maxiboy
    Maxiboy
    11 years ago
    Thanks to all that replied. I'm going to try the recommended Lydall Kevlar pads that they claim increases stopping power over originals by 30%. I'll post as to the validity of the claim, failing that PM make a 6 pot front caliper that should do the job I would hope! It's $480 but I spent more than that on bloody cables so its not expensive in my opinion, chrome and all.
  • Captain Hook
    Captain Hook
    11 years ago

    Roadking lowers or twin disc 41 mm forks fit a Softail which will give you twin disc's unless you can just buy a single right slider from harley (plenty of near new cheap ones around from people who put on chrome ones). Just need to find a wheel that is twin disc and fits as well with a few different spacers, bigger master cylinder, twin disc brake lines and right hand caliper. Not used the Lyndall pads myself yet (soon), but someone who swapped touring or Vrod brembo's onto his bike said that the standard harley twin calipers with Lyndall pads were better. You can leave the single disc master cylinder on there, it just means the lever comes back further and takes less pressure to lock up the front end (edit, the bolt fastening the brake line to the master cylinder is bigger on the single caliper one, think its 12 mm and 10 mm on the twin cylinder master cylinder and line if using standard Harley lines). Ditch the skinny 21 front wheel and fit Intiminators without lowering the springs. The 19 and 16 front wheels have the same rolling diameter which is a bit less than the 21. Do a search on bike tyre diameters on google and there are a few sites that will give the tyre diameters with the tyre specs entered in. The intiminators are great, just do a search even if its only on this site. With them fitted, without reducing the spring height and the slightly smaller diameter front wheel, the front end keeps about the same height as before. Brake dive and scrapping are much less and handling is much better especially on rough roads. A Softail will handle and brake so much better you will think father christmas has given you a new bike. Will need a different mudguard than the skinny one if you have a 21 front wheel as its too high and narrow for the wider tyres on the smaller rims. More work and money than just swapping the pads but well worth it.

  • Maxiboy
    Maxiboy
    11 years ago

    Lots of good stuff in there Captain. Thanks for the advice.

  • Wimbo
    Wimbo
    11 years ago
    Its great to rely on brakes but a lot better to rely on Knowledge.
    A Big Twins not a CBR.
  • Captain Hook
    Captain Hook
    11 years ago

    Have a read of what he asked at the start. I tried to offer an affordable alternative to the 300 + kg being stopped by a basic single disc set up.  A CBR is half the weight and has twice the braking capability. A Harley single front disc of lower quality is trying to do the equivalent of 4 times the amount of work to stop his bike in the same distance which will never happen, unless he hits the car or whatever first. The standard Harley forks do not seem to have progressed far, if at all since 1950, which I think is the case. There is a good, simple, easy and relatively cheap way to fit that and it makes the bike much more fun to ride at the same time. Easy to do if the fork slider is off to swap to twin disc. Personally I´d rather have the option of being able to stop in time to save my hide and be able to control the stop. If your happy with the standard set up that´s fine too, just as long as you don't kid yourself about how good it is. (Edit, still can't figure out how knowledge is going to stop a bike).

  • TJU
    TJU
    11 years ago
    MaxiBoy ... if you have the bucks and are going for the single PM Caliper , get the 13" rotor ... helps heaps over standard ... I went with the 6 piston PM and a RC Components 13" Rotor .

    But the biggest hurdle you are going to come up against is trying to forget the Jap bike abilities ... I had a old Shovel Head Harley back in the old days and have been riding Jappa`s for many years up until the last year or so ... while I don`t think I will ever go back to the Jappa`s ... { although I still own a 1977 Z1000 } ... there are times I miss those brakes ... handling ... and speed , Lol .

    Mate enjoy the new beast and try not to get to addicted to buying heaps of stuff ... it`s not a easy addiction to beat , Lol .

    Tim .