Mark I am sure you can get more from it and I would think if Nev says it rides nice then it would. Although I could be way wrong I don't think it would be a daily ride for some folk. But as you said your bike and built with a specific idea result in mind you have done very well. Fred tuned the hell out of mine and all we got was 118/118 SAE. not built with the same goals in mind and would ride very different to yours no doubt. Never seen many using the Crane cams but obviously they have some interesting grinds.
Currently working on a 124 but again not with the same goals, pretty sure with Ollie doing the machine work and Fred (Andrew Badcock) doing the tuning it will be as good as the components will allow, whether that aligns with my desired outcome only time will tell. It should have room to move the curve left or right depending on how it turns out if necessary.
Be interesting to see how yours matures over time with changes both mechanically and your ideas.

Can you comment on hcp and ccp differences?

cheers
max

Well it sounds like it rides just right, Some times a bike rides different to how you imagine it should from the chart. I guess that's were the expression " You don't ride Dyno charts" came from.

Yes much better planetary alignment this time round for sure. Can't say enough good things about these 2 guys, very knowledgeable and real nice people, although I suspect the smart ass know it all types wouldn't get far with either of them. Show the appropriate level of respect and you will be way better off. All Aussie guys on board with good starting points from S&S and a few others for the ancillaries. Woods, Fueling, HPI, D&D with some help from Aussie guy Peter Grove (pipe masters) and a few others.

106 I pretty much did on my own with USA part listings, I did have a goal in mind but it was more a proof of concept build that after more than 10 years away from the spanners I could still work something together, didn't work quite how I wanted but it's close after a bit of tinkering, now it's time to build what I want.

Your right about the torque from the big inch motors and as long as the curve looks like a table top and still lets the hp flow it should do me. I don't really have a need to run it up into the 6k + rpm range. Pretty sure with a few part changes it can get more right side if I wanted.

Always did, and thought, that you should pay more attention to cranking pressure when hot myself as that is closer to what the motor really see's. Burnt hands more than once trying it but.
Don't hear people suggesting this but I suspect the ones that really know just do it that way. Actually we are pretty close to the same hcp I'm at 185 never actually recorded the CCp and never checked the leak down, don't have good enough gear any more. Think the 124 will be close to those numbers also, I know it won't be what the calculator charts that I have access to say it will be any way.

Might spend some time looking into the Cranes for knowledge and future reference. Don't have any where near the skill or knowledge to start discussing custom grinds, I'll leave that to you special guys with black art knowledge.

Appreciate your input and hope to read more from you on the board.
cheers
max

S&S own Crane now.

So where do the punters on here get a set if they desire them??

maybe possible through
cranecams.com.au

Ozymax and others,if one looks at the graphs of Marks bike over his stock engine above, you will see that this engine smokes the torque of the stocker at 2000rpm only, it is worse nowhere. I believe the bikes rideability is because the CCP is at a sensible value and the engine uses its cylinder fill chararcteristics to make power.So one can ride it with small throttle openings and it responds nicely, stroke it open and it jumps. This is not the most powerful 106 I have tuned, but it IS the nicest package. I agree with Hoody, the hp laying down in the last 350rpm or so is not due to the mechanicals , I think we have reached the limit of the exhausts. However one looks at it,adding 62hp is a fun day at the office :-) Well at least I only spent a day, guess Hoody spent a few days...

Nev in now way a criticism just my thoughts. Whilst I agree with the 106 over the stock motor statement I am guessing the stocker was a way's smaller. Looks like it was only making 86ftlb so your always going to kill that almost from idle, ok well maybe 2000. Still a great result and in no way trying to take anything away from this build, tune or considered effort. A stg 1 103 reasonably well tuned will come in at or just over 100ftlb around 3 - 3500 rpm.
On the other 106 you mention, in the right frame on the right bit of bitumen it would be a very impressive ride and if your mentioning it I doubt it was better by only 1 or 2 hp so probably closer to 140 than 130.
Yep ain't pipes a bitch, but we do have to live with in the limits for varying reasons some times unfortunately.

Regardless any bike that jumps that much is defiantly going to put a huge smile on faces and be desired by many. Whether it meets the original build intentions or not only the client/builder can answer. I know I would be over the moon with it. And for sure you had a great day at the office, not everyone finishes a day's work with that level of self achievement unfortunately.

On sensible CCP's I have had this discussion with Fred at length several times and he has very firm ideas about this area and hopefully I have heeded his words. I believe between Fred, Ollie and me we have included the flexibility to make the necessary adjustment if required. I am sure it's frustrated Ollie at times that I have been a bit stubborn on some points.
Glad I found this thread even if late in the game and appreciate the insight, might have to give Ollie a call and concede his point out of pure common sense. I was out there this morning and still banging on about this one area. I'm sure when I call him he will be saying to himself "finally he listened" haha


appreciate your involvement and contribution.
cheers
Max

Win what? FFS
I asked questions and yourself and tuner answered them graciously, thanks to you guys for sure.
No doubt you have a handle on things, but I already knew that.
But if I believe everything I read on the net, then I'm a bigger fool than you already think I am.
Enjoy ya ride, I got one that'll smoke it already. Lol. Just joking with ya

 Hi Lushy Just wondering if you do timmed graphs, to see how quick the HP & TQ comes on with different tunes?

Those dyno figures are better than I am getting from my 120r. Once I get a few more kms on it and it's due for freshen up and my bank has recovered. Might need to have it sorted out to run better. Goes ok always want more. A little better than standard bike until 3000rpm then surges for a bit.

2012 fatbob. 120r 58mm throttle body, bigger injectors, heavy breather (shit in the rain.) standard headers cleaned of shit with slip on S&S mufflers, screaming eagle tuner. Dynoed at Horsham Harley.

I have come back to edit this post. After looking at it latter sounds like I was bagging Horsham Harley and that was not my intention. I think they installed and set it up well, it's good on fuel and runs smooth. Just think that Harley Davidson company has inflated figures of this engine.

Dutchy's bike is a very nice beast and yeah it goes alright

He's from mt gambier Davo like me

Yeah bike goes ok. Was expecting a bit more. If you go by Harleys advertised power out puts it's a bit low. Had I heard of Hoody a bit earlier I have given him my budget and said go your hardest. Live and learn I guess. Won't be spending much for a while just put stinger wheels on and true track.

Where do you live Dynoharley, Edenhope ? Ride through there a bit. Is that Avatar a picture of your bike. Cops give you any grief over the turbo. My wheels below. 

 

Hi Dynoharley (Davo is it ?)

Yeah it's the crate 120r. Had Horsham Harley fit it when I bought bike new 12months ago. Have the SE manifold and 58 throttle body. After talking to Dan Kiddo ( not sure if that is spelled right.) from Narracorte I wish I had gone the hurricane heads pistons etc..  I thought about going turbo but was worried about the cops with such an obvious modification. As I said I have used up my cash for a while but I would love some more grunt. Ride for a while to get some value out of what I have spent then see what more can be done. Acceleration is what I like I have enough top end. Thought 120 cube would be a tire shreader  but it's not much better than the 110cube cvo's from the show room.  When is the edenhope pub run I like having a beer with like minded people if anyone is invited of course.

Cheers Dutchy.

Dutchy, those headers are holdng you back at least 5 hp compared to a set of Fatboy headers. 

Hi Ando,

Getting 118 horses 118 torque rear wheel. Was expecting 130ish horses and the same torque. I just want to make something clear though because now that I reread my post sound like I was not happy with install or set up. I think Brett from Horsham did great job as bike runs smooth and is excellent on juice I use about .5 to 1ltr per tank more than guys on standard bikes. I think that the Harley Davidson company has inflated figures on this engine. 

Dutchy    

Hi Lushy,

Was going to call you when I am cash up again and ask what your suggestion would be on pipes then get you to dyno it. But I did not want to waste your time until I was ready to roll in cashed up. I originally had Vance and hynes big radius 2 in to 1. Was not happy with them as it did not seem right. Then I listened to some one I should not have and played with the baffles in that pipe. Then cleaned out the standard headers of valve and cat, put on s&S slip on.

Cheers mate for your interest.

Dutchy.

Thanks Ando,

Sounds like there is potential in my engine left then, Thanks for the feedback makes me feel better know I can make further changes in the future. Have been told by others there was not much more that could be done to make it go better.

Dutchy your last statement there is some pretty bad info lol, who the hell told you that?