I don't think most people hate Harleys, I have had heaps of posative comments from the public on my Heratige, both young & old. I think it's a very, very, small minority that hate all things Harley, & I also believe it's due to the freedom Harley represents to most of them, as they live a pathetic, boring lives! So why would I give a fuck about a pack of wankers that will never be counted amongst my friends? They can hate all they like, it will not effect me one iota!

 Most people put shit on all bikes not just Harelys, it comes down they wish they could do what we are doing. Most of them don't have an understanding other half who lets us get away with murder when it comes to our bikes. Also a lot of jap riders dislike Harleys & same with Harley riders dislike japs bikes. Moist of those Harley rides are ones that have just gone out & bought a Harley & haven't done the jap or euro experence. But then theres the one who don't care what you are riding as we are all out there for teh same reason no matter what we ride.

I don't give a shit what other people ride, it's their choice, let them enjoy it. I thought the whole point of riding was the feeling of freedom, and being at the mercy of the elements.

Yeah well said 06 softail , I reckon i could jump on me 09 96ci tc roadie and ride it from sydney to sydney the long way around the map without too much trouble , seems reliable enough , honestly ?
Biggest trip i`ve done on my 09 so far was a 5000km return trip 2 up and fully loaded , but it ate it and could have done it all over again i felt ?
The evo is a great donk , my nephews puts out @100hp , but I reckon HD would still , besides releasing them with evo`s if they were that good , everyone would be ridin the old beasts if it worked like that ?
I seriously doubt they`d pour so much money into testing or R&D if they had it in mind just to dud everyone with a crappily made disposable piece of shit BC , not real good for biz otherwise , longterm i mean , as where would it end hey ?
As like most manufacturers , they either evolve and progress or fade into ablivion , fact is that they`re turnin 110 !
I actually reckon they have come a long way , in braking , handling and comfort !
If you despise the HD moco so much why ya got 1500 + posts on a HD forum , it`s not an evo`s the best fuck the rest site , fairdinkum ya knockin of tc`s is gettin a bit old already man , i think everyone respects ya opinion just like any other , but the truth is half a million people per year obviously couldn`t give a fuck and continue to hand over good coin mate ?
So seriously , what then is your opinion on the new touring frame and upgrades , including brakes and rubber over past efforts ?

why do so many people talk shit about harleys?

I have owned heaps different make bikes over my 43 years and have been bagged about all of them. Its our OZ nature to bag the fuck out of friends no matter what they ride. I have had the occasional fuck wit bag my bike but most HD haters don't bother. I have a old mate who is 87 and rode his Harley around Australia shearing sheep in the 30's,40's and 50's. He's a tough old bloke who always said you can bag me but don't put shit on my Harley. I suppose the 303 rifle hanging on the forks put most blokes off bagging his pride and joy

its ok cooky i agree with what your saying but all manufactures build shit to last so long so we buy new stuff but i like old shit as you say it has soul would i buy a new one well when the insurance paid me out for my accdent it would have been easer to buy new but a went the hard way decided to do a rebuild the mistress again rather than a new tart but i do ask my self at times but keep coming back to soul and the fact shes part of the family now.long live the evo oh buy the why my mates 07 nighttrain crank just shit its self had bit of hard life but only 30,000k  but would i buy a new one one day when i get the right lotto numbers

Yep , right back at ya BC , that`s bullshit and i think you`d know it yaself , if ya obviously know it all right , not exactly sure why your so pissed at the world , (we all got our reasons) and disrespectful at everything un Evo , but there wouldn`t be too many (maybe 100`s) that go out these days to ring there bikes neck unless they thought they had something to prove mate , but at the same time being out there riding at whateva speed , they obviously share the same Passion and Feel , or not quite the same , some will always be bigger harder stronger faster richer , more ol`school whateva i guess hey ?
You must be fuck`n invisable coz if ya rode everywhere on the streets as hard as you say you do , you wouldn`t have a licence left to ride with these days hey , with all the cops , radars and cameras not to mention thoughtless dickheads seemingly out to fuck ya day , unless you were somehow in the know , you`d be locked up as a habitual offender oweing a heap of state debt or layed out in a hospital , hole or erne somewhere ?
Like i said everyone here respects ya opinion just like anyone elses , there just like arseholes , we all got one , but if that`s some sort of reason to tell people to get fucked and that they ride shit and if ya don`t like it fuck off , ya need to have a look at yaself and extract ya head from your own !
Hundreds have done it hey , maybe it`s the hundreds that just flog the shit outa their TC`s and your right maybe they`re also the 15:1 buying Evo`s aftermarket , but there are another 500 000 new TC`s that are sold every year across the globe , and for a good reason , we all know that nothing these days is built to last forever , only gotta look at the jappa market to see that though many will out live us mere mortals anyway , but to make shit that lasts forever would be to sign your own moco`s doom obviously i reckon anyway , just my opinion ?
I know a few fellas also that ride Evo`s and rave about them , but there are a fair few of them that spend countless hours pullin them down tinkerin , complainin about shit too , engines built by pretty reknowned builders and drag racers , but your right , its usually them fellas (deffinately the few) that when their rides are up and runnin , that are slammin them of the lights smokin their TC ridin buddies just because they can !
No need to tell ya that if ya don`t like it then go and get fucked , i think ya already know all that hey ? Cheers mate , and have a great weekend hey !

can i just say i hate blind moles that drive honda crvs

Nothin like a bit of mutual respect right fellas , though not hard , it`s deffinately gettin harder to come by these days hey ?
No need to fuck the world anymore , it`s already been fucked by all those in the know , i reckon !
Maybe the Myans were onto somethin`, the sky IS fallin`, I mean TC`s , just what could be next , no more airkool , or fuck , no more air , imagin , who knows ?

All good BC i mustn`t be ringin my TC`s neck enough as it seems to be handling my riding style ok though i`m deffinately not a mad speedfreak which is good for me , speakin of the Gillies , mad part of the world , last time i was up there almost a decade ago now fat Tinaroo Barra were maxin just over 50kg , just curious if ya would know what they are goin these days , i know theres much better eatin to be had up that way but they must be pullin some absolute fuggin horses outa there by now , i`m guessin 70+kg by now ?
Mate you are who you are and happy for it , no ones questionin that at all , why would they , sayin it how it is or takin the piss is one thing but disrespecting people for fuck all is just plain fuggin old mate .
When everyone in Oz is into eachother for shit , no wonder why other countries see us as an easy target for take over !
i`m happy enough watchin Winton V8`s , big 5 car bingle in the utes , though missed out on a ride today , tomorrow is another day ?

 

Diff styles I guess. ive always loved Harleys, long bedore I rode one. I have never ever had any desire to own or ride a racing bike. I quite like the Triumphs, I can appreciate a few of the bmw touring bikes, but never wanted o own a quck little jap bike. Personal taste mate. I would never buy a manly or collingwood jersey, or a volvo, but apparently they sell pretty well!

 your preaching to the converted bad cooky about EVOS every time i write anything bad about a twin cam dont they squeel like little girls they carnt get their heads around that we love harleys but are big enough to acknowledge there faults .

i think twin cams and evo's are both good!

 give me a evo,bet i can break it in 5 minutes flat 

It's funny. I recently started posting on netrider, as I'm on the hunt for my next bike...which as much as I love Harleys, probably won't be a Harley. Immediately I've had multiple people reply to my thread with "the 883 is the Vespa of the motorcycle world", yet I've never made a negative comment towards anyone or anything, and have specifically said I'm a fan of all bikes.

Which I find very odd, as the amount of looks and nods I get from people when I'm riding is quite crazy. People pull up in their cars and tell me nice ride. How many thumbs up do they get in their R1s?

i drift through many forums. shares,property,holden,jap,dirt bikes.aviation,boat. general i have had something to do with the lifestyle of each thats why i go there.
each one has its sub groups that follow one belief or type more than another and this normally adds some healthy debate to each forums. like the holden/ford battles. The property vs shares conundrum. I have always liked and owned yammi dirtbikes and would defend them with my life looking blindly through their faults. You did this because you respected the bike and your choice to own it.
But this harley thing really supprised me. I always expected the jap vs american thing. Thats been going on for a long time but it looks at least on the outside the harley owners feel the need to defend themselves more than others.even between Harley models. I expected the harley group to be a little thicker in their bonds and also feel a little more confident. But thats not what you always see.
to me this leads to a wider gap and therefore a hatred towards harley riders. their cost makes them less available and that same financial wall that helps keep them elevated is al;so the same wall that makes people dislike them. The green eyed monster plays a huge part and it would be a safe bet a 99% of the harley haters would buy one themselves if they fell into some cash.
With me. out of all the different stuff i have owned you will never se me support the manufacture. Love my harley but you will not se me with HD written on anything else. this ghoes with everything. So in my case i like the product whatever it is i just dont like the marketing spin that often goes with it.

Cheers

+1

Harley makes more money selling merchandise, maybe some of the merchandise profits should go into R&D of their bikes. Love my Fat Boy Lo, but nearly went bankrupt setting it up to run right.

 I ride a sportster,  so jappas hate me, softail riders despise me and dyna riders don't think much of me, wouldn't have it any other way.

I'm a soft tail rider and I think sportsters and dynas are both good I think evos and twin cams are good! I think all Harley rocks!!