First the setting in the Top Left is an area you will not get to in most cases, so we need to better define what exact area you are talking about. At idle most engine will be at 100 RPM and 35 - 45 kPa so any cells left and up from there are next to impossible to get too. Then as you run the engine up in RPM the only way to get below the kPa values the idle kPa is decel down a hill. Now that occurs mostly above 2000 RPM. So if that is the area your talking about (above 2000) then it would not hurt anything other than fuel economy.

Getting the Mastertune Blue interface updated to a second vehicle requires it to be returned to the office over here in the USA.

Getting the Mastertune Blue interface updated to a second vehicle requires it to be returned to the office over here in the USA.

That's interesting Steve !!!

Question -- If I bought the TTS (blue interface), from you in the usa ,, would you update the interface "in house", to accommodate a second bike before sending the unit overseas ?? If so, is there a cost involved ?? Cheers Mate ..

Thanks Steve. We re pretty lucky to have you drop in and answer our questions.

Thanks also hilly. I already have a tts just want to hook it up for my brother

Pretty sure ya can Stink !! If you haven't got your original disc to reload software just go to TTS website and do it from there !!

Question for Steve Cole

Hi Steve, I was originally running DHA358-01 and was getting oil temps in the 210-230 range

I put  255 cams in and flashed DAD358-01 MT8. Did some vtunes and was still getting the same temps. I noticed those 2  cals have the same afr table.

I've now gone DAD358 -03 MT9, done a few Vtune runs and I've noticed my temps are up to 250-255, This is in temps of 70-80.

I noticed the afr's in the MT9's are leaner in closed loop and in the 20kpa column.

Would copying over the MT8 afr to the newer cal be a safe bet to lower the temps or are those temps OK and any particular reason for the leaning out in the MT9 AFR's?

I've been racking my brains to find a cause for the higher temps and this is all I can think of at this stage.

The bike was running very nicely on the MT8 and still is with the MT9 however I am noticing the extra temp between the legs.

Thanks in advance Dave.

Your never running in the 20 kPa column other than a decel so that's not it. Send me the log file so I can look them over and MAYBE I can see something. The 255 cams do raise the low speed torque so more power = more heat, but we should be able to work it some.

Steve, I have a feeling it's the other columns that might be adding heat.. The MT9's are leaner all over. Wouldn't that put more heat into the motor?

I noticed both the international cals and the 255 bagger cal are both leaner now. Were the MT8 cals too rich?

Would it be prudent to run the MT8 afrs in th MT9 cal and see if that cools it down?

Thanks.

It's more of a value adder thing. The MT9 gives an improvement in fuel economy so you can richen if you like and it may cool it down some or it may not. The flip side is your mileage drops when you do it. If your main concern is idle heat then leave the EITMs turned on and as the engine heats it will automatically rich the mixture in a TTS calibration only. The 255 cam is also making more heat to start with so that's another thing you are feeling but it's no caused by the MT9.

Hosh, what is your engine configuration? "I put 255 cams in" means trouble to me straight away. In anything with compression above about 9.3 they are a pain.

103 with a arlen ness big sucker and V&H slipons. No head work. I was meticulous in the details of the cam install and all related possible problems EG ehaust leaks. The bike is running exceptionally well after 3 Vtunes.

I'm just waiting on Steve to pick the Flight Recordings apart.

Going to be very interesting to see what Steve finds. I'll keep you posted.
 

I am guessing a new 103? So stock comp is 9.7. What are you doing with the bike? Cheers

Yes, stock 103. 2013 model. Just riding it around. Taking it pretty easy hence the bagger cams as I ride under 4k almost all the time. Tinkering around with the motor, I guess you could say it's one of my hobbies.

So, do you have the 255's in your bike ATM? Did you go adjustables or pull the heads off?

Lushy is a very reputable tuner in sa. I think he's suggesting that the 255 cam is not well suited to the compression your bike is set at. The 255 cam is an EPA emissions friendly cam which results in heat. Early intake close causes early cylinder fill which is why you might want lower compression to begin with than you have to make it less sensitive to heat and detonation. To avoid these issues at the compression your bike is set at requires a good tune and good fuel which the yanks have over us. I'm no expert but that's my understanding of what the issue is with this cam selected to your bike. Am sure I'll be corrected if I'm on the wrong track ??

Sweet I'm always happy to take on board sugestions.. I haven't taken it to a pro tuner so it's only as good as I've done.

Could well be why the baggers have gone to water cooling. As far as I know they run 255's standard. The thing that's strange is the MT8 cal ran 20-30F  cooler.

That MT8 and the MT9 are the same as far as I know with the exception of the AFR's and some internal things that aren't changeable. I could well be wrong on that point however.

The 255 cam is also known as the CVO cam

They do work well in my experience

I bought a few hundred k's used set and put them into a mate's 2007 Heritage.

Screamin' Eagle high flow air kit , and straight thru slip on tapered mufflers and the bike is now a torque monster for a 96er

Tuned with the older original SERT as that was on the bike already since 2007

He's delighted , says "it's a new bike"

If you disconnect your auto decompressors and do a comp test you will find why the engine gets hot. To get those cams to work well with 9.7 comp the tuner will have to be very careful. They work ok in the CVO bikes as the CVO110 is only 9.3 comp. Good for folk who have no gear stick, just take off and ride around in top gear at 2500rpm :-). Fatbat described it well.

Also run some spark data sampling and on review see if it's detecting detonation/knock which will pull timing.

Hosh if your TTS software is up to date you will have to use an MT9, just copy and paste your MT8 tables into the corresponding MT9 and adjust the relevent tuning constraints, sampling is the biggest issue, if that isn't right you will be going in circles.

That's what I think I'll do. Copy over the richer AFR's and test. My lasy 4 vtune looked good, no knock at all.