Counter Steering!

  • careyman
    careyman
    12 years ago
    chuck it in here bro

    http://www.hdforums.com.au/Default.aspx?tabid=71&forumid=15&postid=121713&view=topic
  • grim
    grim
    12 years ago
    probably the best example to understand is watching the speedway bikes on the dirt ovals as they race round and round with the front wheel pointing in the opposite direction the bike is turning--cheers Grim
  • Colstah
    Colstah
    12 years ago
    What I don't understand is how come this is news. I'm not trying to be funny, but as far as I was concerned that's how you did it 'cos that's the only way to do it, and it happens automatically.

    The only time my bike turns any other way is at very low speed, or when pushing it.
  • the_mongrel
    the_mongrel
    12 years ago
    Some may do it already, but I found I would pull on the right bar to go left, which is sort of the same, but when in high speed sweeping bends, actually isn't.

    After quiet some time of retraining my brain, I know do it as the video shows, but thought I would post it up.
  • clubbie
    clubbie
    12 years ago
    Yeah Mongrel the old push left to go left, push right to go right still blows peoples mind. Coming from a dirtbike background this was really hard to "get", now its second nature.

    One thing not explained very often is that the initial wheel deflection from an upright gyroscope position and it's resulting opposite reaction is what makes this work. I use counter steering for urban riding and twisties, not so much on the open road.
  • the_mongrel
    the_mongrel
    12 years ago
    Hey Clubbie,

    Yeah man, that's why it did my head in a bit. My dirt bike days screwed my head. I still find my self occasionally "pulling" on the oposite bar - as in - pull the right bar to go left. Which works OK, but is not exactly right.

  • Colstah
    Colstah
    12 years ago
    Wow! I'm still not getting it then. I thought pushing on the left grip when turning left was what it was about?

    What's the difference between pushing on the left grip, or pulling on the right grip for the same left corner?
  • the_mongrel
    the_mongrel
    12 years ago
    What I found through experimenting (Some scary at times LOL!) was that in a long sweeper if I was pushing on the bar, it was easier to keep my weight shifted correctly, and had much better control. Pulling the bar would often end in a wobbly turn. Now I feel much more comfortable leaning in harder than I would before.

    Maybe it's just a personal thing - but it works better for me.
  • Colstah
    Colstah
    12 years ago
    Yeah, OK. I'm still not sure how pushing one side is different to pulling the other side (the bar still tends to point the same way) but I also push on the grip, never pull. That seems to be the natural way...
  • Burnzi
    Burnzi
    12 years ago

    I think pushing gives you a better position on the bike as opposed to pulling, is not as balanced. That makes sense in my head but doesnt sound as good in writing. Pushing helps to maintain your position on the bike and is easier to control than pulling. ??

  • the_mongrel
    the_mongrel
    12 years ago
    Yep - What he said! :)