any body around melb who has stage 4 kit done where and how mutch wats your verdict
Believe it or not. For the money you have spent on a 120r and only making that power i would be very angry at somebody. If you want it properly tuned contact Anthony @ Maztech of Melbourne on 03 9416 8411 or pm him on here, his username is Buznuts.
Dont waste your time and money, get it tuned correctly and see for yourself what a 120r can really do, i dont know why so many people are happy to leave power on the table. T1
Nothing wrong with my tune, I won't question Buznuts ability to tune either, but like they say inflated dyno results sell tunes. like I said in previous post I would probably do 150/150 on that dyno and what are the stage IV build specs ie head CC, deck hieght, squish, cam used, compression ratio, pipe( let me guess V/H short shots) just to add a few
Hey guys,
I am the one that tuned the bikes T1 is talking about and you are all welcome to bring your bikes and see how happy the Dyno is. As a piece of machinery it is constantly calibrated for my own benefit and is used purely as a tool to achieve a result. I know many of you doubt the numbers etc, but also accept the stg4 kits as running poor on cruise and poor on fuel economy. I have not had a single bike that the customer was not over the moon with and did not refer me extra work from his mates, and as I offer a money back deal, that should speak for itself. I am happy to offer the same to you guys here and if you are not happy, simple, you do not pay.
I have compared my dyno with most of the other bike shops and can assure you they are within 1-5% of each other and that is probably more relevant to the way they are being tied down. As a professional tuner it never ceases to amaze me the ignorance that exists within our industry when it comes to "impossibilities". In 2001 it was immposible to make more than 1000hp on pump fuel in a small block until we set the bar at 1400hp in our first competition, I was also told it was impossible for 13B rotary to make more than 600hp using standard engine components and now we are aiming at 1300hp as we made 1150, 5 years ago. There are many other examples but they are 2 world marks that I have been directly responsible for....
Your HD tuning EFI industry is about 20 years behind most of the other automotive indutries which makes sense as they were ony truly EFI in 2007/8, and the rest of the world had that sussed in the 80's. I am absolutely positive that in the future you will all expect at least 120 from your stage 4 kits, and have them ride smooth and progressively. Until then, please keep your minds open to development as it will happen, with or without you!!!
Regards- Anthony Rodrigues
03 9416 8411
The number is not there for advertising but open discussion if anyone is interested.
I was only speaking to my local HD mechanic last week in regards to a SE 103 kit, he raves about them! He said the last one they did dynoed at 107HP, then the customer upgraded to a larger throttle body & achieved 120HP on the dyno. He did tell me the Torque number but I can't remember what he said, I didn't ask who dynoed the bike but the mechanic is not one to bullshit!
Thanks guys, I am always reluctant to comment incase I am taken the wrong way. Andrew has been around our tech for along time and unfortunately has become a little intolerant because the only reason he would have offered his input would have been to try and help. He is truly an awesome HD enthusiast and a brilliant mechanic in his own right, and has only good intentions..
People sometimes dont understand that not all engines are the same and yes the factory tolerances can be poor, however, while I do not guess any figures, I will expect around 120/120 from any reasonable stage 4 kit with 258 and bigger cams. I also fully acknowledge that there are thousands of other criteria that need to be met before any engine can perform to its optimum. I have also done a few stg 4 kits with the smaller cams and what they lost in hp they gained in torque which is exactly what you would expect when varying your cylinder pressures with cams etc.. If someone else does not get the results it does not mean it cannot be done, it just wasnt succesful on this occasion and most of my job as a tuner is trying to work out why not??
I am currently doing a 2012 stg4 fatboy and having just gone through the factory maps am once again dissapointed with the lack of effort taken by HD with their SE base maps. Please always remember that all of these maps come from USA where they have different fuels and conditions. Before putting it ont he dyno I have smoothed and added the most basic of changes which just transformed the bike on the road.
I am always happy to show what I preach in real time with you and an open laptop and most of my theories are based on common sense. You will also then be able to understand can take upwards of 5 hours and cannot possibly be done correctly without a dyno.
Cheers - Anthony
What were you interested in seeing, am more than happy to help. All things relative to the tune up I can usually nail for you.
I just finished another stage 4 kit on a 2012 fatboy, ironically it has come up short of the 120 and alledgedly has the 259 cams in it. We went throught the complete combo and were a little baffled as to why it was a little down on power, given that it made 118tq I was wondering whether it had smaller cams than I thought. After a phone call to one of the top HD techs here in Aus he queried the km's on it as not many 2012's have been done. It turns out that it only has 1300km's on the clock and I have been assured it will loosen up significantly over the next 10, 000km when it should be closer to what I expected. It is strong all the way from 1500rpm and has no problems pulling away in 6th at 80kmh, all of the popping and low end (under2k) surging has completely gone and I am confident the customer will be wrapped.
I will keep you informed of where this one goes if you are interested.
Regards- ANthony
