SBS's  Insight show tonight at 8.30 has a forum discussion on a range of topics involving MC's, Consorting Laws, Tattoo Shop Legislation etc with 30 Club members present sitting in with high ranking Police.

The promos already released show former DPP Nicolas Cowdery espousing his distaste for 'association laws'.... Maybe, just maybe, this show may hold some balance...we will see.

Heres hoping...

Sounds like a nervous time in the carpark..

I had a faint glimmer of hope until i turned on the peanut gallery.

What a fucking mess.

An embarrassment for ALL parties featured. Not an articulate argument put forth by anyone on the stage.

A dogs breakfast...

We are discussing it atm.... LOL... What an shit fight... Some of the comment were out of this world.... Especially when the woman was told to go kill the bloke that killed her brother???? WTF... My wife summed it up as "He just made everyone in the room look like an idiot". Having said that how did the blokes on the stage get picked, surely they could have come up with better representation... Shit they even had the previous ATG from NSW in their corner in the end he felt that bad for them...

Yes it would of been better if they had a cross section on the stage of the groups that are agaisnt these laws UMC, Free and I think the MRA:

 

 

This is a statment from the Free Australia Party posted yesterday:

This may interest some people. Unfortunately, FREE was NOT represented (despite our efforts!)..

Well looks like the media got what they wanted to make bikers look bad?

 

 

never can recall this type of tv program being anything more than a dogs breakfast ....... i dont think we should be surprised at the result and why i didnt bother turning it on  .... oh , thats right , i also dont have a TV

 

*insert confused smilie here*

Leaving it up to Greg hurst and nicolus cowdry and it would of had some resemblence of a decent conversation.

SBS should of picked people like Ferret:

Tom Mackie

Paul Kuhn

 

and there are many other people.....

 

but it looks like the madia set it up how they wanted it to go.

Yea it certainly was an ambush of sorts. Bringing in victims families to confront people 'similar' to the perps is always a ratings winner, it serves no purpose to the debate on knee jerk reactions to incidents except to add some drama.
The feedback I have had is that the guys on stage were chosen by the production staff AFTER interviewing everyone their via phone prior to the show.....say no more....Greg, John Smith and others who excel at this medium were left on the back stalls for a reason now apparent.
Seems the taping went for nearly 2 hours and contained many relevent passages that came across favourably for the fight against Consorting and discrimitory Tattoo shop licensing, but they now lay on the cutting room floor, as usual.!
The UMC is damned if it does and damned if it dont take a punt with these limited media opportunities....accessing the total filming would be gold....the word is some exchanges between Adam Shand and Duncan McNab were interesting and dispelled many of McNab's claims.. and all the voiced views from the random members of the public in the audience (who saw the whole debate) supported the Bikers claims that association laws and limiting employment were draconian to say the least. By the end of filming all the cops and legal experts were agreeing that prohibition..not Bikers, caused the illicit drug business to prosper, but naturally those exchanges will stay buried.

 for thos who missed the show last night

http://www.sbs.com.au/insight/episode/watchonline/481/Uneasy-Riders

The problem is, it wasn't just a loss for riders, if I was a politician, or cop, I would still have rated it a loss, they didn't get their point across either, the NSW Head of Gang Investigation was about as good a spokesman for their party as the other guys on stage.
But like has been said, it's on TV, could have been good, but....

I'd agree with that one Ross.
The head of Hydra came across as a clown or worse.
Not enough balls to stand by his convictions that he is at war with the dreaded Bikie menace.
Kept shuffling it off to the politicians and how the legislation is on their heads.Was he reading from a que card??
His counterpart in VIC was a lot more convincing.

As for the host,well!! Not her best work.!!
More adamant to look at SA 1% representative and his beliefs that a traumatized sister who at 15 lost her brother should enact violence or not on the person that was responsible for her grief."Compelling viewing NOT "

What was lost on me is how the police have been persecuting motorcyclists in general for 40 years and they will now flog us with these mandated laws.
The defection where old mate in the back stated that "First people" that more than likely have a criminal representation similar to 1% clubs in regards to having time spent being affected by these laws also was swiftly passed over so as not to marginallize the native minority.
Margainalizing bikers is alright though.
ETC ETC

Look the media have done it again , taken a little from here and there and concocted a generalization .
It certainly wasn't as good television as the people smugglers operating from Canberra story from the weekend..

Our side? Neither side represented my side.......laws that I certainly disagree with aside, this farce of a debate was between those who will enforce and those who will be the targets of the enforcement....the 1% of the motorcycling public. I have ridden bikes for over 35 years and personally dont feel the need to support a tiny minority of the motorcycling fraternity who couldnt give a flying fuck about my rights and are simply using smoke and mirrors to avert legislation that allows them to continue with "business as usual". Equally, I certainly dont support an erosion of my civil rights and those that seek to legislate in that direction. For mine, this is a 3 sided argument that was only represented.......very very poorly.......by 2 sides with vested interest unrelated to the majority.

 the link is working here try it again

http://www.sbs.com.au/insight/episode/watchonline/481/Uneasy-Riders

I don't know if you were listening to Hursties/cowdreies arguement there HD.
I concur that the production was about this side and that but aside of the general it was relayed that the sections of the crimes act ?? would adhere to anyone that the police or polititians are targeting .
The effect of the laws could be enacted on anyone that the police/politicians desire to persecute at anyone at any given time.

The 1% clubs are on the front line because of their profile.

Me,Myself do not support any and all criminal enterprise.

 i  dont support any crimanal activity either.

it should be all about motorcycles mates and good times and doing the right thing like fund raising perhaps they the clubs need to probably do a bit more for there comunitys like charity stuff and get the media involved to show they do good and just not in the spot light for the bad shit.

maybe its the cops wanting the power to gain the bikers terf to make money who fucking knows....

i just dont get  how these laws will stop the crime.