I am looking forward to warmer weather so I can take it for a good ride. I am very glad that I went with the 107 kit

how much cost at the end of upgrade if u dont mind sha ring the actuall costs of making ya bike real ,me stg 4 fatbob was a total reincarnation it uttergaragrambleruise along .u can feel wen motopr a style im into font of lightsc  was like they made it evil wen they started in shop an rode it out i was sortin papwerwork out .i say who owns that bike u do its pretty wild got race kit in it i said can i burout with it now straight up giv it begeezez the thought s in my head i wanted bad and yeah thats bad the sound will take wile 2 warm up he stated 20minan if i get on an flog straight up u  gunna fuk it ok niebours will jus b exstatic ive tried ridind cold splutters an coughs backfires not a bike ya jus ride 2 pub crawl mine jus wont let ya it splutters an jus go slow o yeah u can open her up then strts not feeling right so i warm mine up leave on 4 10 giv it half bak on againfew more times then get on road an jus amble 2 garage buy pie hav bike rurring after fill juice always and eventuall[y get movin checktyres then get on hwy an jus take easy onhwybike strts bikests=rtsoosenin up  maybe u can express yoself by doind burnouts or watever suits      im into burnouts and loftin front wheel acrosss intersed0tion and bike always under control some of my best long wheelstands av eeven caufht me unawareswelll shit dropped da cluych an bitta spin an bike styood up like 3-4ft higher an i jus kept throttle into it an we jus kept ridin 4 as long as fuk dese pirellims cupla spin then alll grip8, was lucky goood long controlled   man on harley jus o y fuk around

man an machine balancing    and thoroughly at 1 wif bike cost 4 dis sosta fun 4800build  and ride away but u mus cum bak an go tuner 500 in bris morgan&&WACKER  people do engine and tune he sday u gets 117torque an 117hp an bike goes like helll tyres evaporate fuelll vanishes hey say thats it no more tuning its in brain of bike and i paid them knowing team kould do an had done a few cant get chart 2 stay up on page bu grsaph comes up if ya click on JHD SCAN ITs a nice ebven climb both parts of motor workin in unison side by side all power jus comes at once spin da wheel in low jus turn grip this bike flies handles and brakes ah its just another mans story bloke that tuned mine is tuner forM&WACKER RACING and i couldnt even see bike dynoed nobody allowed in dyno dept but was assured bike will be sorted an tourque an hp t very close no sudden dives engine works fantasticly it jus wants 2 be given sum pirelli tyres good lots changes this bike very hard on machinery have screamin eagle tach 399  shift an tach lets me know coz wen ya up easy can hit rev limiter in first set shift light 5800 rpm  easy 2 hit that rpm on a good wind out and dis no slouch passess 200 easily all ratio,s seeemed 2 av gained extra 20klm,s in overall speed of that gear ive tested out flat out b 4 after on my 50klms run long straights flowin bends tight bends up hill windy 2 klm straights  ddesolate rd so u can hook both bikes ridden flat out in every gear so i know difference of up graded and same rd an flat out on new motor was 20plus klm,s plus increase in every gear ,i didnt change gearing or sproket sizes tyres same just speed per gear dramatic change its like wen riding wif new motor is like the machine has come alive ,yep good wen standard to but i yearned 4 that sound of a harly that was heading down hwy an u say fuk it i wont that raw abnoxious people scarer well conclusuio i say shop M&w build me 1 of dem nasty child scrers i give im 4800 and leave bike 1 arvo pik up next arvo an engine bits wrapped back in paper and put in allboxes every single part was greased as ellll and allll fitted in boxes that new parts came in and they put in booot 4 wife that surprised me da most alLL

neat as a pinhad 4 few yrs now and havent broken it yet and im totally abusive                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           

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Mate love you posts and dig ya riding style

I have done several builds keeping stock 103 pistons and stock heads with just a clean up, 1.9 intake and shaved to 82 cc using a mid to late intake closing cam of different brands, stock TB this costs about $1500 and when dynoed a couple of these builds are performing as good as the $4500 StageIV builds
I have done a couple of 107 builds that cost no more than $3500 and these are doing 120/120

Just saying

costs were just over 3.6k not including dyno. but these costs are not really relevant now cause the AUD has tanked against the green back so everything has gone up included HD parts from the dealer or wherever ya get em from.

I am happy with my build, sure there are builds that make bigger numbers. but my goal for this build was to make 100 ft/lb at 2500 with a nice smooth torque curve which is what I got in the end. i also wnated something with manners but would get and boogie as well, minda wolf in sheep's clothing. Stealth for mine!

 

cheers

 

My stage 4 now got 75,000 hard ks on it.
I have not had one problem with this kit,yeah it's always had a bit of oil usage
but always had good power and a joy to ride.
Only thing I did was change lifters at 60,000 as they are the weak spot. Just for piece of mind. I would recommend change em every 30-40 though.
So anyone continplating but worried about longitivity, well there ya have it.

Oh and have always changed oil at 4000 k intervals and always run Penrith diesel oil.

I changed my lifters at the 5000km mark with Gaterman lifters. Bike now has 74000km and they still look like new.
Seeing as I just upgraded to a 107" build by Ando. ( cheers mate. What a magician of knowledge and know-how)
My stg 4 went down hill and pistons caked in carbon. Due to excessive oil usage and scorched bores.
Check valves for running lean too.

Yep mine going to lushy for 107 overhaul soon... as oil usage getting a bit high but 75,000 sure is moneys worth in my books.
I had gatermans in my softy but after reading the failure rate they having in the states pulled em out and put S&S premiums in.
That is the problem with lifters, they can look fine, you just dont know by what they look like when they gonna fail.

Mmmmmm. OK that good advice. Might hava think about them lifters...
The 107" is the way to go....

+1 on the S&S premium lifters. thats what i put in mine.

Cheers for all the valuable info to those in the know. Sounds like there are some better options than the SE stage 4 kit. If you have a brand new bike do you just stick with the SE for waranty. Or is the 107 S & S kit that much better that it is worth the risk? Little concerned hearing about the oil usage on some of the builds. Is this to be expected from all performance upgrades or is the SE stage 4 kit just not the best quality.?

depends on builder and correct run in

afaik the SE stage 4 will screw your factory warranty anyway. Only way the warranty has half a chance is if the dealer decides to honour it. I got no oil usage on my bike, but it only has 5k on the new build. I went away from the SE stage 4 because the cams came on too late for my riding style. I don't want to wring its neck. imo that is not how the harley is built. for me it was about making lots of torque right off the bat then build from there. I tend to short shift rather than hang onto a gear at high revs, but each to his own i guess.

talk to your builder about what you want to achieve you will be happier in the long run. I spoke to my builder did the spanner work myself then he tuned the bike for me. It fitted my back pocket as well as my interest in doing the work myself.

cheers

Mine only lasted about 5,000 or so after the 103 top end , 20k on the clock .. Hunter for early lifters as I heard they were better ,, but not sure about that either.

4 was to hot for me too. Mines stage 2 race from memory. Good enough for me. ..  

True hi energy or fast ramps kill the lifters,, mines only a 254e but I think it's the ramps ... On eBay there's lifters that flame to have been the original hd lifter for sale .... I had to readjust me lifters with an extra 1/2 turn to try to fix the problem after about 5,000k it started clacking again... Later lifters are said to restrict oil to the top end .. I think the oils to help cool so I went for the so called B lifter ... Wether they were or not is a different story ..if these Croke it I'll go for the others. But I have also hears the rollers fall out of them too ... I upgraded to a twin cam to inherit some floors ..lol. 

Oops I'm using mobile Vtwin oil too .... Maybe that's helping creat a problem.   I'll go back to mineral oil and see if it helps .... I do have an oil cooler too. But I could on an average ride my oil don't expand enough.  But a long one is ok. It goes to full then ..lol??

Good point jon doe. Is stage 2 enough? First Harley ive owned. Love the thing but would also love a bit more mongrel in it. Only a month old with stage 1. Is a cam enough or does the smile you get from a stage 4 justify the expense. Like most of you im sure i dont need the thing to go any faster but would love a bit more torque. The odd burnout would be fun.. Greatly appreciate any opinions before parting with my hard earned cash.

Mine has from memory 100 fpt at 2 grand and 100 fpt at 5250 but only 102 HP at 5250 bat 6250 has 90fpt at rear wheel I do have the dyno chart .. I think 90 fpt was rated stock but that's at 3grand. Mines 120fpt at 3 .. Not as big as a stage 3 or 4. Can't use top under 120k. So end up in 4th or 5th most of the time ..lol.

Mine has from memory 100 fpt at 2 grand and 100 fpt at 5250 but only 102 HP at 5250 bat 6250 has 90fpt at rear wheel I do have the dyno chart .. I think 90 fpt was rated stock but that's at 3grand. Mines 120fpt at 3 .. Not as big as a stage 3 or 4. Can't use top under 120k. So end up in 4th or 5th most of the time ..lol.

Oops red mine has head work too s$&s mufflers ( said to give 5 or 10 HP ) s&s air cleaner ( said to give 5 or so HP ) so it all ads up ... When I got the kit I was quoted 90,95 HP so maybe the s&s do work ...lol. Just remember to use a cam tn the rev range were you ride or its a wast ...