So how much of this is from you using a TTS? It pretty simple to see that your not a user and at best have a very poor understanding of the product. You can ride and make a new tune just as fast if not faster with a TTS than you can with a Power Vision, fact not fiction.

As for making adjustments with the extra cost auto tune and Power Vision you still have to take the information gathered, process it on a laptop and then program it into the Power Vision module then into the ECM. The same applies for TTS except no need to preprogram a Power Vision module, you do it straight from the laptop and by the way you still need the Laptop with a Power Vision if you plan on doing any tuning as all the  power to make a new tune is on the laptop not in the Power Vision. The Power vision module only stores a premade tune. Yes, there is more that can be adjusted with a TTS than a Power Vision but that in no way means you have to use all the tools in the kit but when you need one it's sure nice to not have to go buy another tool. Since the Power vison cannot adjust for Camshafts and EGR I guess that why your trying to spin it the way you are.

While it's nice for users that they can choose what they want, let's at least get the FACTS straight on the systems.

So if the others cannot do the same tuning parts how can it be compared? As for gathering data if you want a little display that is basically another computer hung on the handle bars that is your option but I do not see it as being necessary. Let's face it once the bike is tuned your not going to be using it. Yes, we can add more features and we do all the time but we hope the features we add will allow the customer to do a better job tuning. While a nice screen that you can see everything would be great to see how many people are going to wreck there bikes while looking at the screen instead of the road? What are you going to do with it once tuning is completed let alone when it starts raining and your out riding. Try working the display in cold weather with your gloves on, we have! We looked into a lot of options and while we never said we got them all right we do have to look at the bigger picture. Go take a look at the unit and see what's going to happen when you leave it out in the rain let alone cold weather. Touch screen displays do not work well in either condition let alone bright sun light and all are normal conditions you can get when riding.

Like I said, if you understood how to properly work the TTS features and then tried the same with a Power Vision you are going to be going through more steps with the Power Vision and you will still not be able to do what the TTS does. Adding a auto tune that adds more components to the bike that do nothing other than help tune isn't a bad thing but one must look at the cost versus benefit. The Auto tune feature from DJ for the Power Vision doesn't tune the bike as most think it does, it makes no adjustments. You must data log and then post process that data to make a new tune and then install it in the bike. The Power Vision does not show what data you collected so that is of no help, but it does allow you to record without the laptop. So you can record but you still need the laptop to use any of it. So how is that different than what TTS does?

So you were supplied with the TTS a way to see what is going on real time on the laptop, but that option is not part of the Power Vision. The display does not show what you have collected, you have to wait until after you download the display, to the laptop, to find out what you have collected. So how is it you feel a feature we have had from day one is following something Power Vision cannot do? Now maybe they will add the feature but then it would be Power Vision coping TTS again, not the other way around.

Look, what we have done may well not be for everyone and that is fine but let's talk about real facts not what one thinks it might do when trying to compare units. As for being defensive I only ask for the facts not what one believes things might do when trying to compare our products to another. Let's compare how things are done on the bike so to speak and we may all learn somethings here.

I've used the SEPST and Thundermax on HD's and PC III on jap bikes.
I don't own an EFI bike currently, and never had a lot to do with the TTS.
What I can't believe that someone would design a system that forces you to carry a Laptop on the bike to tune . CRAZY !
What it tells me is that they may be good with software programming, but stingy with hardware. IMHO.

Maybe the Power Vision is the answer once it's sorted  ?

The older PC3's didn't lock to a bike, does the PV ?

Gotta agree with the lap top thing, what a PITA to make sure the USB plug doen't pull or fall out, or the lap top doesn't stop collecting data or ya brakes turn blue trying to get more cells...

There has got to be a better way, as Steve has said most of us run a map that is not exactly fully tunned..Seems that more peeps are having thier TTS dynoed to get a more accurate map with out the hastle of lugging a lap top in a carry bag....

Bt

Speedzter
All dyno's have a computer attached to them for tuning no matter what tuner you have on the bike. Even a bike with a carb uses a computer when dyno tuning. TTS uses the road as it's dyno.
The guys considering to buy the PCV read what yoshitime said again. I worked out who he is and he knows his shit Trust me
Don't worry Yoshi I won't say a word to anyone.

If your talking about a PC-V that is different than a Power Vision. The PC-V does use the extra cost auto tune module to tune with while the Power Vision does not. The Power Vision only collects data from the extra cost AT module. The fact that we use the laptop to collect data has been brought up as a reason the PV (not PC-V) is easier to tune. I do not believe that is the case but we all have our own opinion. In order to collect data to get a tune done you must ride in all the areas of the map in order to tune them, that doesn't change regardless of what you use to tune with, so that point again is a wash with ALL systems.

If you believe that I am here to just spin what you've said that's not the case, I just want to understand what you've said and why, there is already plenty of spin out there. As time moves forward I am sure you are going to see changes in all units that are being made, that's just the way it works. We have a new version going into production so we can handle the new 2012 model year changes and it will be different from the ones before and I'm sure once it's released the next one (which is already being looked at) will be different again.