Well done Robbo. +1 for the TTS. As you said Scotty used it and he swore by it due to the capabilities that it gave the tuner. None of the others come close in my opinion.

My only gripe with the whole system is it's lack of simple explanations, Steve wrote the manuals for it, and he is a tech head, and as such wrote the manuals for other tech heads. It as written as a technical manual, not for the home tuner, and as such suffers in that department.

Another gripe is that it is locked to the bike. It would be nice if it was transferable, a bit like OS for Computers. You buy the software and you own the license for that software and as such are able to use it on different machines but only on one machine at a time.

I can see why they did that but it still bugs me a bit.

The TTS is a good system and provides way more that what the average home tuner would require to effectively tune his bike.

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Any device with ECM access will suffice, but TTS does it best for the DYO mechanic.

What we try to have is the product that can do whatever you need. While not all of you need to do everything it's sure nice when you need it. Look at it like a tool box full of tools............ you have them all but only use the ones you need at the time.

Stix
I agree with your comment on dyno tuning any tuner that gives you access to the ECM but do they tune in open or closed loop. Open loop is fine if you can buy the same octain fuel from every servo. What happens when touring in the middle of bum fuck and they only have 91 octain with 20% mixture of fuckalcolhol your shrewd unless they have octain boost. A dyno tune in closed loop will help with fuchalcohol because the sensors pick up detonation and changes ignition timing to help stop the engine from imploding. So with that being said there's only two tuning systems I would fit on my bike. The TTS and the SESPT with knock control and you guessed it TTS gets my vote.

Speedster
The TTS does not suit everyone it's a specialized tuner. Most dyno operators are not interested to learn how to use it. If you want to get your bike tuned by a professional operator take his advise on what he likes to use. For the home builder who loves to have his hands on the job and tinker with different HP parts the TTS suits us. I agree it's not for everyone.

good read cant agree but good read

Robo
acting mod as you are

I said it was a good read so you dont want me to read it or just not post in it ? isnt sert TTS rebadge ?
I dont really want to start a thread on any tuner really but I do enjoy reading all the threads in the efi workshop.

but hey if you as acting mod dont want me to post I be happy not to boss

Robbo wasnt having a go with Mod remark was just having alittle fun.

we should just have a nice cup of tea and relax

JD
TTS has always owned the SERT it's not a rebadge. If you open the old tuning files it's there in black and white. The SERT was always the best tuner on the market but there was no Vtune for the home builder just maps that could be loaded from a disc or the SERT could be tuned on a dyno. Now14 years on some of the other major tuners have seen the light and are trying to catch up with the TTS by going closed loop aswell. Steve Cole has always been ahead of the pack and hopefully will stay there.

The TTS tuning kit is a vast improvement over the SERT tool of old. TTS put in improvements and tools that pros have been wanting for years but HD refused to add. There is no better tool for optimizing tunes out there. There are several ways to produce a good running machine cheaper and dirtier. Life is full of compromise.

There is no better tool for the pro than the TTS bar none (the pro does not need to spend time fiddling, can spend his time making fine adjustments instead). For the backyard mechanic willing to invest some sweat equity and is comfortable with a laptop, there is no better tool. Everything else is a compromise... and how much you can feel those compromises on the street is open for debate. There is also no substitute for tuning experience, being able to tell what may work and what not to try.

I think what annoys some of the folks that understand the delphi ECU is just how much FUD and old school opinions that are out there, FUD started by vendors that want more sales and are not concerned about facts (good marketers) and old school pros still stuck in the days of the carb. ... well that's how I see it.

In the right hands, and there are several good pros out there, just about any tuning device can be used to make a bike run good... much better than stock. WOT horsepower is fairly easy. The arm chair discussion, I think, revolves around the best tune, but usually not what that means on the street where one tank of gas is different than another and the computer control system is bouncing back and forth trying to track some programmed target. Doesn't make much sense to me to tune to within .01% only to have the EFI system bounce around +/- 1%.

Anyway good riding.... with a smile from ear to ear.

Steve what problems did you have with the TTS to turn you off it. To be honest I have never had any trouble tuning my bike no matter what engine comonets I throw in the motor. I recently fitted a delphi 46mm throttle body bored to 51mm and the bike ran great with no tune. Admittedly the bike was idling to low but that was because the IAC and TPS was not set by the porter. After the first test ride I plugged the lap top in and adjusted the IAC TPS and the volts to get the idle spot on. I'm a dumb cunt with no education and If can sort it out you must have had some mechanical issues giving you your problems. When I first got the TTS I used to Vtune 5 or 6 times. Once I mastered learning how to obtain data I only do 2 or 3 Vtunes to get the bike cranking.

Steve
Tough choice what tuner to buy. I like the sound of Brian Nallin rev perf EMS tuner and over the last 12 months since ite release I have only read of a few who are disappointed with it but there builds where odd ball builds with mismatched parts. What ever you chose keep the TTS interface in case your not happy with your next tuner.if you do keep the interface stick the stock map back in the bike for the new owner.
Good luck
Brian

 

from the posts I have seen, one gets the impression that some on here might be getting kickbacks..... 

 

Uncle Ho
Not me my bike got no kicker its only got a electric leg. The electric leg hasn't had any kickbacks since I installed the TTS. LOL sorry I could not resist it.

I brought my 07 FLHT in late 2006 and like most I decided to leave it stock with a screaming eagle stage one kit and a SERT tuner. Then around 2008 Harley decided to release the new SESPT and drop the SERT. Steve Cole soon released the upgraded TTS to Harley's grieve they took him to court to try and stop him but lost the case. To my surprise 12 months later TTS announced that anyone running the Harley SERT could have it upgraded to a TTS Mastertune for a 100 dollars US so me being broke with 3 dependents took him up on the offer. In my eyes he did not have to do this because I brought the SERT from Harley not him. Would any of the other tuners do this for there customers ? the answer is no way because there in it for the mighty dollar. Steve Cole is so pasionit about his product even after 12 or 14 years it shows me that if I ever have a problem he will be hear on this forum to help me sort it out. He is constantly upgrading with no cost involved to the owner and it's sways a couple of steps ahead of the rest. Most of the other tuners have copied his product with closed loop tuning because they seen the light with fuel getting worse ever year.
So the answer is no I don't get any kickbacks from Steve or TTS. I think he's a top bloke that looks after his customers with 100% back up.

I must agree with Mark about Steve Cole's customer support. If you frequent HTT for example, you will find some of the threads where he gives advice himself. This is on the WWW for all to read.

Got a bike in getting tuned at the moment with TTS tuner and was advised to change over to pro tuner because the TTS is so time consuming to transfer data on the dyno, and yes before you ask the tuner is one of the best tuners in vic