In spite even.

So I finally got myself an IRON, but I don't trust dealerships.

I was told that if i suplied the parts to do a jugs and wiseco r/d 1200 conversion, it would take the dealership 6 hrs to get done and would be priced accordingly.

Is it just me or does that sound like a long time for a mechanic who only works on HD engines?

My experience is extreemly limited with HD gear but I was under the impression that all the work

required to do the conversion could be achieved with minimal fuss and in the frame.

Isn't it a matter of dissassemble, clean gasket surfaces, reassemble?

Iv'e seen a decent car mechanic do a similar job on a cortina in about 3 hrs while drinking and bullshitting. And it was in the engine bay!

One of the biggest reasons i switched to HD was because I thought I'd be able to do most of my own wrenching.

At this early stage of my HD journey I'm a bit shy about trying a major job like this myself, but it makes me think.

Does anyone know a trustworthy wrench in Sydney? I'd really like to get an opinion from someone who has a rep for straightshooting.

By the way, the bike is great.

Just not so sure the front end is supposed to clunk so much on bumps?(thinking steering head loose or fork internals just budget)

And I wasn't aware the heads and oil lines were still prone to weeping.

Any advice/pointers/friendly ribbing welcome.

Cheers, Kane.

I was thinking bolt on but I will talk to
Whoever is gonna wrench it and see what
They think first. Cheers for the info man.
I'll post how I go.

6 hours is about right for this job, I had it done on my '07 and it was about that.

 

Trust me, what you want is this, its the newly released for 2011stage 2 kit Harley offers that even the dealers don't seem to know exists yet, made SPECIFICALLY for the Iron, and a BARGAIN in HD terms for all genuine parts. Heck, Google and even HD's USA website doesn't list it - but it exists!

Part number: HD-29836-10

RRP: $1269.95USD (only $1066 at Zanottis!)

Was quoted 8-9hours for fitting by Frasers today at $132 per hour

 

Kit includes

All black 1200 cylinders to match the Iron

FORGED 10.5:1 Screamin Eagle piston kit

551 SCreamin Eagle camshafts

1200 clutch spring

Screamin Ealge Super Pro Tuner kit

This allows you to keep your warranty and not only get 1200ccs but forged pistins and bigger cams. Nothing comes close value for money wise if you buy the kit out of the USA right now with the strong Aussie dollar and have your dealer fit it.

Note that adding a 30T front secondary drive sprocket (PN: 40380-04) will gear it closer to the 1200 too, which is what I'm doing.

 

 

 

 

 

Thats awesome Damon. I was looking for a kit like this.

SJ

Oh, and the front end 'clunk' you're hearing is the piss weak front springs allowing the forks to bottom out. I changed to progressive front springs and it made a world of difference.

Thanks for the info on the forks Damon. And that kit looks pretty good too.
I'm trying to steer away from the SERT in favor of the TMax though.
The kit I'm looking at doesn't have the cams or forged pistons though,
And only boosts the compression to 9.5:1 so it's a bit kinder on the stock
lifters valves etc. It is my daily ride so I need reliability.
And I have heard that the screaming eagle pistons are heavier than the
Wiseco ones and cause more vibration like the stock 1200's do.
I was under the impression that forged pistons were not optimal for
air cooled motors? Something about them having more thermal
expansion? Feel free to correct my second hand assumptions.

On another note, I did my tank lift today and all went smoothly.
Almost. I was rushing to finish before I lost the light and just
as I start to plug in all the wires around the front of the frame I
realized I had taped up the loom a little too tight and the plugs didn't reach.
I may have used a few naughty words.
But I sucked it up and packed up the tools just in time for the light to fade.
Guess I'll revise my plan in the morning.
Lol. Dickhead.

That kit has got me thinking though.
I guess I'm just put off by the fact they wanna
charge nearly nearly double the price of the kit to fit it.
M&M quoted me $440 for the black jugs and Wiseco reverse domes.
I s'pose the reliability wouldn't be an issue if it is fitted by the stealers.
Not till your warranty runs out anyway.
It does have a lot of stuff in it though.
Cheers again for the brain food.

Given HD dealers want $700 to supply and fit the SERT alone I reckon a self imported kit with all that this one entials is the only smart choice. Paying an extra $1000 for installation? Fine, I was trying to find a way to get max HP, keep warranty, and stay under $2000 all up, and this looks like the only way to do it. Heck, I wasn't even considering cams for under $2000! They're just a bonus. Remember the extra time the cams take to fit on top of the jugs, which explains another couple of hours labour. You could have an independent install this and save a couple of hundred bucks but will HD still warranty it? As for the SERT? Meh, for the level of tuning I require the SERT is fine, plus I can buy the DVD/wiring for home tuning whenever I choose for under $100, plus any other aftermarket ECU automatically voids warranty.

Did my tank lift yesterday too. Worked out pretty easy after lots of wire juggling.

I am comming around to your thinking Damon.
Hmmmm. I'll send a quote request to M&M now and let you know how much they are shipping for.

Nah, the picture is a cropped snapshot of a full pdf page from the 2011 Screamin Eagle catalog and above the Sportster kit on the same page is a 95 cube kit.

Thanks for all the info guys.
Infidel, I don't suppose you would share
Your cheap sources?
What would be the best cams for stock
Lifters etc. if I was going the lower compression
9.5:1 wiseco kit?
I still prefer the idea of a Tmax over a SERT.
Just seems like a pain in the arse to have to get dynoed

when the TMax has the tech to do it at home.
Cheers in advance for your opinions.

Zot, i was just talking to Cow from L A Cycles he said he does not re size the 883 to 1200 now as cheaper to buy 1200 barrels, takes him too long to get them machined out as over 1/4" has to come out of the cast iron linner.

but if someone really wants there 883 barrels resized i know a guy that has a rottler it can take 1/4" out the bore in one run perfectly true perfectly straight then he finishes off with his Sunnen Cylinder King has torque plates to suit.

well fter seeing the se kit , with cams , i'll have one of those for my beastie

2007 was the last year of the thick wall cylinder barrels. in 2008 Harley changed the liner thickness to the thinner wall Zot will see it when he recieves the 3rd edition whick is all i have

Brucey

Brucy, so they now have a thin linner? so how to they get the 1200 barrels to fit the 883 cases? As the barrel if it has a thinner linner the hole in the case the barrel fits into will be smaller. how do they get around that?

Krash you need to bore the crankcase mouths when you go to the 1250 kit or bigger believe me there is not much left between the barrel mouths at all

The liners have a spigot end on them that locates in the mouth the rest of the liner is thin wall remember mate when they developed the evo motor they started using spline lock cast alloy around the liner to stop the sleeves moving so they cast the barrel over the liner prior to machining the barrel to finished size the reason for the thin liner i believe is the additional heat disipation. and faster heat time with the fuel injection set up it gets them up to heat faster and keeps the temp lower at the upper range

Thats why the factory 1200 kit drops straight in on no mods no issues

if your interested in engine cooling fin design check out Prof Blair and associates web site he has a number of interesting design programs for engine design and this is one area they needed to address

All the best Brucey

Damon.

What progressive springs did you use up front on your Iron? Is it part # 11-1527, not sure what to get as yet. I also want 440 shocks at rear lowered by 2".

This Screaming Eagle 1200 kit for the Iron is also what I will get. I think I will purchase it from the US and just get the dealer to fit it for me. I was going for the stage 1 kit at the beggining

but now this new one is the go. I rang one dealer regarding their stage 1 kit and they said it sells for $1900, another dealer said $3000. Anyway I have been looking at your Iron and I like

what you have done.

 

I have just started looking into the 1200 upgrade, spoke to Fraser's in the Gong and they quoted up to 8hrs to get the job done.  Already put the stage 1 kit on the bike, so I figure I should  be able to flog the race tuner off on eBay for about 400 bucks, which should reduce some of the cost?

I have been chatting to a few blokes on the XLForum site who have recommened a few other upgrades that increase the 883 to 1250 (83hp), which is insane for a sporty!!

Still tyring to decide on the best approach?