Next project, Front forks, advice, direction

  • ==ShaDoW==
    ==ShaDoW==
    14 years ago

    Hi everyone, well I am happy with my bike all most areas except the front end, I know "its a harley they do that etc etc blah, blah blah" but for me its just not good enough.

    I live in the Isa and the roads are shit here to say the least, I also dont think there is a single bike rider on the council as the amount of lose gravel siting around the place defies logic (thats my rant done), long and short of it is i ride a bit harder than I should and have a few WTF moments, usual stuff clunk, bump, bounce, shake the bars, etc.

    As I know f all about the options out there I am looking for some advice, cost effective, cheap fixes to try first, then way over the top options.

     

    i also think some of it is the tire, so thats on the list as well, (dont know why HD put them out with dunlops on tires arent that expensive and buying as a large order I am sure they could get a better deal going).

     

    anyway waiting and looking to learn something.

     

    PS i did search frist but could really get the info I wanted, my ride is a FXDWG 2010

     

  • Daggs
    Daggs
    14 years ago
    fit some VROD Forks? aren't they more adjustable... I don't know but think I may have heard that somewhere along the line.
    Iv'e fitted race tech springs and heavier oil to my 08 and its definately better but it's certainly not in the league of a sports bike... far from it...
  • FastHarley
    FastHarley
    14 years ago

    By just putting in heavy oil (only) to solve a suspension problem is not the way to go.  This slows down your suspension movement (without modifying suspension parts), defeating the purpose of your forks (move v/s solid)..  A simple understanding of how your forks work before doing something would be far more helpful to you than by: “Doing the doing without knowing the knowledge beforehand”.

    * With the base oil level specified, add 10 mm of oil will increase your air spring value (stop your forks from bottoming out) as will increasing it in 10 mm increments will increase this value.

    * In my experience this is the most discussed and wish for changed problem on a HD. 

    *By welding and re-drilling the holes in the Damper Tube will modify the rebound.

    * By adding some cheap 2006 & above 41 mm (for 41 mm forks only) HD emulators found in Dressers will also modify the rate as well..  By changing the spring on the emulator will modify it even more.  Of course this is inconvenient because full fork disassembly must be performed.  This is the same with Race Tech Emulators (Custom Modification).

    The "weight" which is viscosity at a temperature varies for all application and depends on the metering holes and overall design.  OEM is 5W and RaceTech is 15W. We who use Öhlins use a very light weight (5w oil due to the many engineering designs and extreme close tolerances.  The thinner the oil the less overall restriction (stiction) you have.

    For the money, and someone who has little technical background in suspension;

    1. Just by changing the springs to the right rate
    2. Changing the oil to a higher quality
    3. Thoroughly cleaning your forks, and inspection the Teflon coating on the bushings will help you out.. 

    I cannot recommend using a progressively wound (not the company but a method) springs as I always use a predictable linear wound spring.

    Please keep in mind that the 1948 "Hydro Glide" suspension is relatively the same as to what is in your brand new HD motorcycle now.  You cannot expect much.

  • BURTO
    BURTO
    14 years ago

     FH, your'e obviously a little bit knowledgable on the subject.

    I have, along with many others, performed the simple upgrades that I have outlined above. I have heard before that progressive springs are not the best option, and I have no reason to doubt you. But for the fairly cheap cost, and the results compared to standard forks, I'm happy with the improvement.

    Interesting to note that a modern springer front end is supposed to outperform telescopic forks, I've heard these claims and also seen them substantiated to some degree!  

  • walka
    walka
    14 years ago
    Give Geoff a call at Proven Products . He makes the Ikon Range of Shocks. He will taylor a package for your needs and Conditions 02 60409955
  • ==ShaDoW==
    ==ShaDoW==
    14 years ago
    Thanks all some great stuff to get me started, good stuff.

    (I meant to get rid of the "crap" dunlops and that I thought HD was stupid to issue bikes with dunlop tires - my veiw only)
  • andij
    andij
    14 years ago
    hey FH you got website or address details ,i place lots of importance on handling and would love to improve the front end
  • FastHarley
    FastHarley
    14 years ago
    try this if you like: Please watch the Video if that subject (DIY rebuild forks) or atleast check out Amy who really rides, pays, and works on her own bike (Buell XB) http://www.motorcyclemetal.com/gpage35.html
  • andij
    andij
    14 years ago
    ta fh ive got piggyback ohlins on rear and gold valve emulator and springs on front ,the roads i ride on are death traps and i value suspension before power
  • grim
    grim
    14 years ago
    hey guys I fitted constant rate springs(.9kg) and gold valve emualtors (race tech) to me old fxrs and a good quality oil,Couldn't have been happier in fact I repeated the process on my road king except with 1.kg constant rate springs and the emulaters, my mate has the exact same model 07 roadking with std suspension, same speed and corners and he will scrape running boards.I also have a set of Icon rear shocks on the kingy. the trouble with putting a heavier fork oil in is that it will have trouble going through the damping rod holes when you hit a really good bump at speed causing a hydraulic lock which you will certainly feel. the emulaters are the closest youll get to a cartridge type system and are easy to fit. The holes in the old dampining rods are bored out to allow the oil unrestricted flow, the emulaters have a flow hole through them that handles the little bumpys and a pop off valve system that handles the bigger harder bumps. They really are hard to beat and I would recomend them to anyone--cheers Grim